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  1. Yes, kill it now! (61 votes [39.35%])

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#4036 atomicthumbs

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE(cappuchok @ Nov 28 2007, 11:37 AM) View Post

QUOTE(funtasticguy @ Nov 28 2007, 07:35 PM) View Post

the movies-interest potential customer will definitely want a remote to control their Craiginator when watching a movie from a sofa.

Take one Craiginator. Add powered USB hub. Add Media Center IR remote. Done. Enough about it already, there will be plenty of ways of adding a remote to the Craiginator, without it being included in the package. biggrin.gif


Wait, I have an idea! We could take a Bluetooth dongle and use an existing Bluetooth remote! Genius!

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 08:52 PM

I'm with the F.Guy.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 09:07 PM

Any chance you can flash it and put WM or the older WMce on it?

Edited by predatorramboxxx, 28 November 2007 - 09:07 PM.


#4039 Stealth Bagel

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 09:45 PM

This discussion is freakin' ridiculous. It's a handheld, not a PVR, and it's not like you're going to have some enormous hard drive on it, it'll be an SD card. If you want to set up bluetooth remotes and struggle to get drivers working and rig up a USB HDD and all this other crap.... do it on your own time. Projects like this get ruined by trying to be a jack of all trades and turning out a master of none.... I think the Gizmondo is one of the best examples of this. Next someone will suggest using this thing to make breakfast....

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE(yodaofborg @ Nov 28 2007, 09:26 AM) View Post

Why wouldnt you need a RTC with Wifi? If you mean due to Internet time, most time servers want your device you have at least the correct date or they will not sync your device. Plus, not everywhere is a wifi hotspot, how annoying would it be to have your PDA not know what time it is, cos you cant get on the net? wink.gif

Even if the device didn't have a RTC that Internet thing wouldn't be a problem with NTP wink.gif. Fortunately it will have a RTC.

And yeah VoIP would be nice, I'm afraid we'll have to use USB ADCs tho :-(

#4041 God Ginrai

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 10:12 PM

Alright, here's the deal:

USB is your friend.

There are many USB solutions for getting a remote to work. IR, bluetooth, etc. Instead of people spending extra money for a BOB, all they have to do is buy that remote solution.

Problem solved. Less qq.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 10:17 PM

QUOTE(A_SN @ Nov 28 2007, 09:57 PM) View Post

...


ooooh i do now see why some people call you a skinhead tongue.gif (looking at your picture on the left)

no wonder rolleyes.gif


#4043 God Ginrai

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE(A_SN @ Nov 28 2007, 04:57 PM) View Post

QUOTE(yodaofborg @ Nov 28 2007, 09:26 AM) View Post

Why wouldnt you need a RTC with Wifi? If you mean due to Internet time, most time servers want your device you have at least the correct date or they will not sync your device. Plus, not everywhere is a wifi hotspot, how annoying would it be to have your PDA not know what time it is, cos you cant get on the net? wink.gif

Even if the device didn't have a RTC that Internet thing wouldn't be a problem with NTP wink.gif. Fortunately it will have a RTC.

And yeah VoIP would be nice, I'm afraid we'll have to use USB ADCs tho :-(


... when did Craig or the others guarantee RTC? I don't remember them ever responding to anyone's posts about it.

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#4044 atomicthumbs

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 10:39 PM

QUOTE(God Ginrai @ Nov 28 2007, 02:12 PM) View Post

Alright, here's the deal:

USB is your friend.

There are many USB solutions for getting a remote to work. IR, bluetooth, etc. Instead of people spending extra money for a BOB, all they have to do is buy that remote solution.

Problem solved. Less qq.

-God Ginrai


Like a bluetooth dongle and remote? unsure.gif

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE(funtasticguy @ Nov 28 2007, 06:35 PM) View Post

The remote is not for the hand held. Instead, the remote will only be used when the hand held is hooked to the TV to watch movies. While watching movies may not be for all, there is a market of portable media devices that hook up to the TV. These portable media players come with remotes that people use when they watch their digital movies (i.e. Archos, Cowon, etc.).


Personally, if I want to play a movie at home, I use the dvd player rather than a portable device with a usb host, power adaptor, bluetooth dongle/etc all dangling of it.

The dvd player comes with it's own remote control, is in a suitable form for placing under the tv, has SD card and USB host sockets for plugging harddrives into, accepts DVD disks as a bonus, and cost about £30. A little cheaper than a £200 Craiginator with ~£50 of required extras.


#4046 Moxie

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE(God Ginrai @ Nov 28 2007, 11:12 PM) View Post

Alright, here's the deal:

USB is your friend.



But wait! Couldn't I, like, hook this thing up to one of them schmangly USB cup warmer thingies, and then have it make my breakfast?



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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE(Stealth Bagel @ Nov 28 2007, 04:45 PM) View Post

This discussion is freakin' ridiculous. It's a handheld, not a PVR, and it's not like you're going to have some enormous hard drive on it, it'll be an SD card. If you want to set up bluetooth remotes and struggle to get drivers working and rig up a USB HDD and all this other crap.... do it on your own time. Projects like this get ruined by trying to be a jack of all trades and turning out a master of none.... I think the Gizmondo is one of the best examples of this. Next someone will suggest using this thing to make breakfast....


Now, then, if you think that a great number of people are going to be willing to pay over $300 for a strictly gaming device that mainly plays emulators and homebrew, then you're sadly mistaken! My GP2X does mostly well in the gaming/emulating department. Indeed ask yourself, why hasn't the PS3 been flying off the shelves? Because it's too dang expensive! It's only recently that they have lowered the price that Sony has suddenly seen an increase in sales. On the other hand, if you have a device that can do more than one good thing not only will it broaden its appeal, but you can also charge more money for it as well.

Interestingly enough, no one is talking about a PVR. It doesn't have to record. However, if you're going to be able to hook it up to the TV then let it play movies as well as games. If it is already going to include a media player to play movies (which seems reasonable since even the GP2X includes it), then simply add a remote OR device drivers for usb/bluetooth remotes to make it practical and more appealing. Likewise, if you're going to have Wifi, then let it surf the Net with support for Flash 9 since so many sites use Flash 9.

As for trying to get device drivers to work, no potential customer is going to want to mess with that. If the device drivers don't exist (whether it be for off the shelf usb or bluetooth remotes) for the gadget, people will simply move along and find something that works right off the bat.

Furthermore, everyone knows that Gizmondo failed because the company was being run by a crook, the product was poorly designed, and it was ridiculously expensive. Again, the team that is working on the Craiginator has the potential to design something that will appeal to a broader segement of the market which, in turn, will translate to more sales. If you don't think so, that's your opinion, but I think otherwise! In the same manner, if the team that is working on the Craiginator doesn't think that my suggestions are of any value, then that's fine too since the Menlow platform is arriving during the same timeframe.

Lastly, I'll end my discussion and suggestions in the words of a tech journalist: "Mark my words: in 2008, you'll see x86 processors win the first few major battles in a multiyear war to displace the likes of ARM, PowerPC, and MIPS in the pockets, purses, and briefcases of everyone from corporate executives to mall-hopping Paris Hilton wannabes. 2008 will be the year of the must-have x86-based ultramobile PC (UMPC) and mobile Internet device (MID)...." (source: http://arstechnica.c...Blackberry.ars)

QUOTE(Squidge @ Nov 28 2007, 06:12 PM) View Post

QUOTE(funtasticguy @ Nov 28 2007, 06:35 PM) View Post

The remote is not for the hand held. Instead, the remote will only be used when the hand held is hooked to the TV to watch movies. While watching movies may not be for all, there is a market of portable media devices that hook up to the TV. These portable media players come with remotes that people use when they watch their digital movies (i.e. Archos, Cowon, etc.).


Personally, if I want to play a movie at home, I use the dvd player rather than a portable device with a usb host, power adaptor, bluetooth dongle/etc all dangling of it.

The dvd player comes with it's own remote control, is in a suitable form for placing under the tv, has SD card and USB host sockets for plugging harddrives into, accepts DVD disks as a bonus, and cost about £30. A little cheaper than a £200 Craiginator with ~£50 of required extras.


Yes, the DVD player seems on the surface practical but if you want to play downloaded Divx/Xvid movies, then it won't be too practical to constantly burn CDs or DVDs (even if the DVD player plays DivX/Xvid files). Indeed, there's a great number of people that watch more downloaded movies than DVD movies which, in turn, explains the Archos, Cowon, etc. market.

Edited by funtasticguy, 28 November 2007 - 11:27 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE(yodaofborg @ Nov 28 2007, 07:15 PM) View Post

I'm pretty sure, or hopeful at least (because its a bad idea not to) that we will be able to boot a kernel from SD card, so replacing the entire OS if you want to go that route will be possible.


Sure, if you don't want to use Linux, you can always use SOS (SquidgeyOS biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(predatorramboxxx @ Nov 28 2007, 09:07 PM) View Post

Any chance you can flash it and put WM or the older WMce on it?


If your willing to write the drivers, you can put whatever OS you like on it smile.gif


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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:32 PM

You've mentioned you've got a lot of stuff ready for the device, and you'll release it when it's ready etc. etc.

but can we please just have a little bit of information? a sneak preview photo, something just to make this seem more real, maybe releasing the real name of the device? i've been following the 'craiginator' for a month or so now (first post smile.gif) and it looks great- but I really hope this whole project doesn't just turn into vapourware..
thanks!

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:44 PM

QUOTE(yodaofborg @ Nov 28 2007, 02:26 AM) View Post

Why wouldnt you need a RTC with Wifi? If you mean due to Internet time, most time servers want your device you have at least the correct date or they will not sync your device. Plus, not everywhere is a wifi hotspot, how annoying would it be to have your PDA not know what time it is, cos you cant get on the net? wink.gif


You got a point I figured that already, I just figured for at least time the updates for wifi are not constent they are just occasional once you reached a hotspot or a open wireless router (there everywhere here in the U.S.-gotta love old people with money)

QUOTE(cappuchok @ Nov 28 2007, 03:53 AM) View Post

QUOTE(funtasticguy @ Nov 28 2007, 03:56 AM) View Post

As for the BOB, I have read the specs and know that the Craignator will have a TV-out function. However, having TV out will not be sufficient if you don't have a remote to control the device from your couch. You can't underestimate the importance of having a remote.

Oh, and I wouldn't be without an RTC in such an otherwise complete device (especially given it's potential for PDA functions), getting the time via WiFi can't replace having a real RTC since you can't really expect that you'll always be in a spot where there's open WiFi access. If it turns out this device doesn't have an RTC, that might just be a deal breaker in my book.


Thats why I want it

QUOTE(God Ginrai @ Nov 28 2007, 04:21 PM) View Post

QUOTE(A_SN @ Nov 28 2007, 04:57 PM) View Post

QUOTE(yodaofborg @ Nov 28 2007, 09:26 AM) View Post

Why wouldnt you need a RTC with Wifi? If you mean due to Internet time, most time servers want your device you have at least the correct date or they will not sync your device. Plus, not everywhere is a wifi hotspot, how annoying would it be to have your PDA not know what time it is, cos you cant get on the net? wink.gif

Even if the device didn't have a RTC that Internet thing wouldn't be a problem with NTP wink.gif. Fortunately it will have a RTC.

And yeah VoIP would be nice, I'm afraid we'll have to use USB ADCs tho :-(


... when did Craig or the others guarantee RTC? I don't remember them ever responding to anyone's posts about it.

-God Ginrai


Just thought I asked since I rarely if any heard anybody talking about it.