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[CronoTriggerfan]

The OP of this thread wasn't talking about small set backs - he is asking for *MORE* delays to tinker with shit. No. No more tinkering. Get it working and get it out the door. No more polls asking would you be willing to wait for feature X - no more can we add option Y - no more well, there's coming out with a bigger display in 2 months....

Screw it. It's fine the way it is, ship the damn thing.

I agree. It's like sending a kid off to college. Time to let go.

And Chad, I think I smell a YouTube video idea!

[magicman5421]

I think it is in everyone best interest that this project be play tested and refined as much as possible. Its not like Microsoft or Apple is coming out with a similar gadget to compete. If Craig suddenly said the Pandora would come out six months from now and would be $200 more, I would gleefully wait for conceivably the greatest gadget ever. We must remember this project was started because all the other companies were "doing it wrong". Just the prospect that someone will do it right has me very excited. So please, everyone involved, take your time. The Pandora deserves it.

can't you guys recognize a troll when you see one? the opinions expressed are to get people riled up. there's no other reason for him to post this.

[waffles]

I think it is in everyone best interest that this project be play tested and refined as much as possible. Its not like Microsoft or Apple is coming out with a similar gadget to compete. If Craig suddenly said the Pandora would come out six months from now and would be $200 more, I would gleefully wait for conceivably the greatest gadget ever. We must remember this project was started because all the other companies were "doing it wrong". Just the prospect that someone will do it right has me very excited. So please, everyone involved, take your time. The Pandora deserves it.

can't you guys recognize a troll when you see one? the opinions expressed are to get people riled up. there's no other reason for him to post this.

Successful troll is successful.
but honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if some people agreed.
not that i do, but..

[magicman5421]

those who agree are fanatics and should be burned at the stake.
/angry
but seriously, many people have said it, there has to be a time when it just ships even though there are small bugs.

[waffles]

I really don't see the "bugs".
There are minor problems, but honestly i think its likely they will not be crippling for the system. We have to consider that as of yet, there are no completed Pandora, as far as i know. Lacking analog clicking will not cripple the system. It never being released will.

[Kyosys]

I don't believe in trolls

[x68000]

Maybe some people are happy to go and jump ship for 1 of the supposed 'competitors' if the pandora doesnt turn up soon, but can someone please remind me which one of these is mainly focused towards gaming with PROPER controls?

If you really feel the need to go, you certainly won't be missed.

[WhiteFalcon]

If Craig suddenly said the Pandora would come out six months from now and would be $200 more, I would gleefully wait

No way in hell I'm waiting 6 months and paying almost twice as much.

If this thing isn't out by August, I'm jumping ship. There are plenty of other things that are coming out that will be just as good / better for the same price / cheaper. Nvidia is leading the pack with those. In 6 months, the Pandora won't be leading anything - it will be following. It might still be the only system with game controls - but, god, how hard is it to plug in a USB controller or buy and mod a PSP? If this isn't out by Sept. Waiting a year is not worth it. And, yeah, since the initial release dates were Feb / Mar of 08 - six months from the August-at-the-soonest release date now would make it over a year delayed.

At some point, you've got to stop tinkering and ship the damn thing.

I doubt Craig would want to postpone the release just for the fun of it. If there is a delay, it has a reason and it seems to me that he is not the one to be blamed now. If it was Sony, you would act like a good boy and wait, but because it is a guy who has been part of this community, takes people's opinions into consideration and keeps us informed about the news, you feel the urge to show your "rightful exasperation". It is not like I would want to wait a day more than necessary and embrace the news of delays with joy, yet exclamations like "If it is not released by then, I will buy this and that and you will see Craig!" is childish and only a tongue sticked out is what you are missing at the moment (or maybe you are not). Either wait for the device to be published, as waiting and discussing is also part of the whole experience, or buy something else and be finally satisfied. Your threats/comments are not going to make the production faster anyway.

[antaresuk]

There will always be critics no matter what CraigX does. If he ships early there will be posts of "pandora sux" and "hardware too flaky" if the hardware has issues. If he waits until the hardware is 100% with good software support some people who are too impatient will lose interest and flame others and bugger off. You can't win. Just ignore the doubters and stick to the plan I say - have the courage to stick to your convictions.

Edited by antaresuk, 16 June 2008 - 07:40 AM.

[chad78]

I doubt Craig would want to postpone the release just for the fun of it. If there is a delay, it has a reason and it seems to me that he is not the one to be blamed now. If it was Sony, you would act like a good boy and wait, but because it is a guy who has been part of this community, takes people's opinions into consideration and keeps us informed about the news, you feel the urge to show your "rightful exasperation". It is not like I would want to wait a day more than necessary and embrace the news of delays with joy, yet exclamations like "If it is not released by then, I will buy this and that and you will see Craig!" is childish and only a tongue sticked out is what you are missing at the moment (or maybe you are not). Either wait for the device to be published, as waiting and discussing is also part of the whole experience, or buy something else and be finally satisfied. Your threats/comments are not going to make the production faster anyway.

First of all - if it was Sony, and they had promised a device to be released in Feb / Apr - which got pushed back to June / July - which got pushed back to August / Sept - which, (again, read the first post, which is what I'm responding to), got delayed for another 6 months.... If it were Sony, you can believe, I'd be on Digg, Engadget, my own blog, and possibly YouTube and other places, calling Sony out on it. In fact, if you care to google for my username and ps3 you might find evidence of that.

Secondly, my rightful exasperation was at the suggestion we delay it for more tweaking. To hell with tweaking. Get it working and get it out the door. I mean, within a week of "no major delays" we get "um... would you mind waiting if we got the best super awesome nubs in the universe?" YES! Yes I do mind. You can say that Craig never set a date all you want - just search the forums, read the Wiki, read openpandora.org's wayback machine - there have been plenty of dates set - and plenty of delays. I understand stuff comes up. I understand it's not easy mass producing an electronics device. Granted - but purposeful delays just to mess with it some more? No way in hell.

As far as my "threat" - I said it wasn't a threat. I said, and still repeat, I know my one sale or not sale isn't going to matter either way. But it is simply a fact that I can't / won't wait forever for this thing. It's not because it's a guy in the community - it's because I have other things to do with my money. It's because things that I need this for are time sensitive. And that's not just a matter of "showing it off" - I mentioned that part because it's the part that might matter to the makers of the Pandora. Not that my glowing endorsement matters - but having a bunch of tech geeks - many of which with disposable income - finding out about your product is always a good thing. Heck - people pay thousands of dollars to have someone show off their products at these things. But I need it to use while I am attending lectures, classes, etc.. It's 12-hour long days of non-stop tech talk. I don't know of a laptop with a 12-hour lifespan while in full wifi use, do you? I certainly don't own one. But the Pandora has a 10-hour life span, right? And that's the minimum. So....

I've been ready to buy this thing since I first read about it.... months and months ago. No more delays. Ship it and I'll buy it.

Thanks.

[Svartalf]

First of all - if it was Sony, and they had promised a device to be released in Feb / Apr - which got pushed back to June / July - which got pushed back to August / Sept - which, (again, read the first post, which is what I'm responding to), got delayed for another 6 months.... If it were Sony, you can believe, I'd be on Digg, Engadget, my own blog, and possibly YouTube and other places, calling Sony out on it. In fact, if you care to google for my username and ps3 you might find evidence of that.

Sony also has their own fabrication facilities and has quite a bit more money than the Pandora project has...

Secondly, my rightful exasperation was at the suggestion we delay it for more tweaking. To hell with tweaking. Get it working and get it out the door. I mean, within a week of "no major delays" we get "um... would you mind waiting if we got the best super awesome nubs in the universe?" YES! Yes I do mind. You can say that Craig never set a date all you want - just search the forums, read the Wiki, read openpandora.org's wayback machine - there have been plenty of dates set - and plenty of delays. I understand stuff comes up. I understand it's not easy mass producing an electronics device. Granted - but purposeful delays just to mess with it some more? No way in hell.

Heh... I'm getting a bit touchy about the people suggesting this (it's a troll, mind...) and I've got one of them coming my way anyhow. It's a troll, Chad... And you're feeding the loser.

[quasist]

If there is a delay, it has a reason and it seems to me that he is not the one to be blamed now.

You right! Why to blame reason when we can blame Craig

Edited by quasist, 16 June 2008 - 01:21 PM.

[sold]

Dammit, we're all looking a little too eager to part with our cash as it is. Alot of people are saying "give us pandora now! We dont care about flaw
A or compromise B!" Those people are wankers, with no understanding of the cost of even starting a project like this, let alone getting to this stage.

Do it right the first time, f**k the opinions of the eager yet unaccountable fanbase.

[WhiteFalcon]

First of all - if it was Sony, and they had promised a device to be released in Feb / Apr - which got pushed back to June / July - which got pushed back to August / Sept - which, (again, read the first post, which is what I'm responding to), got delayed for another 6 months.... If it were Sony, you can believe, I'd be on Digg, Engadget, my own blog, and possibly YouTube and other places, calling Sony out on it. In fact, if you care to google for my username and ps3 you might find evidence of that.

Secondly, my rightful exasperation was at the suggestion we delay it for more tweaking. To hell with tweaking. Get it working and get it out the door. I mean, within a week of "no major delays" we get "um... would you mind waiting if we got the best super awesome nubs in the universe?" YES! Yes I do mind. You can say that Craig never set a date all you want - just search the forums, read the Wiki, read openpandora.org's wayback machine - there have been plenty of dates set - and plenty of delays. I understand stuff comes up. I understand it's not easy mass producing an electronics device. Granted - but purposeful delays just to mess with it some more? No way in hell.

As far as my "threat" - I said it wasn't a threat. I said, and still repeat, I know my one sale or not sale isn't going to matter either way. But it is simply a fact that I can't / won't wait forever for this thing. It's not because it's a guy in the community - it's because I have other things to do with my money. It's because things that I need this for are time sensitive. And that's not just a matter of "showing it off" - I mentioned that part because it's the part that might matter to the makers of the Pandora. Not that my glowing endorsement matters - but having a bunch of tech geeks - many of which with disposable income - finding out about your product is always a good thing. Heck - people pay thousands of dollars to have someone show off their products at these things. But I need it to use while I am attending lectures, classes, etc.. It's 12-hour long days of non-stop tech talk. I don't know of a laptop with a 12-hour lifespan while in full wifi use, do you? I certainly don't own one. But the Pandora has a 10-hour life span, right? And that's the minimum. So....

I've been ready to buy this thing since I first read about it.... months and months ago. No more delays. Ship it and I'll buy it.

Thanks.

I cannot say you are not right with the continual pushing of the release date, yet notice how the developers are trying to keep the price same not only when facing up difficulties (having to find a different source for some parts) but also when adding features. You can say any large company might do the say, but would it? And we are not talking about a large company here. It was interesting to watch the whole thing from the beginnings, when there were only ideas about a possibility of a community-built device. You are correct, it could have been sooner. It has not and it just happened. If the even you are talking about is that important, maybe Craig would like to get a Pandora there, but it simply is not possible, when they are stuck with missing parts. Repeating that there is an opportunity going to be missedd will not solve the situation, the developers can just sigh at most and forget. As far as I uderstood the news, they cannot do more than wait. So can we, if we do not decide to buy something else. It is not always about polishing, now it is more like about having all the necessary parts. I suppose you want Pandora for more that just his event so you may or may not end up buying it later.

In the meantime, lets enjoy the GP2X or GP32, at least those of us who have it

Dammit, we're all looking a little too eager to part with our cash as it is. Alot of people are saying "give us pandora now! We dont care about flaw
A or compromise B!" Those people are wankers, with no understanding of the cost of even starting a project like this, let alone getting to this stage.

Do it right the first time, f**k the opinions of the eager yet unaccountable fanbase.

Maybe I would put it less harshly, but you have got the point

[Chip]

Pandora Will Be Released When It's Ready.

Stick a fork in this thread. It's done.