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#16 bitz_dv

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 02:22 AM

QUOTE(Phawx @ Oct 27 2008, 05:51 PM) View Post

I would like to use InkScape to draw some stuff on my Pandora when I get it. Possibly to create some assets for that Citadel game.

I've seen Wacom have a screen that can be drawn on, but I don't know if the screen was resistive. Plus the size of the screen might be a problem as well.

The screen should be 3.7" wide and 2.2" high, it might be just large enough to actually get something done on it, I would think think with inkscape the drawing process should be easier with certain 'helper' tools. Stuff that helps curve a line and such.

Has anyone drawn on a resistive touch screen with a full features drawing app like InkScape?


In response to the Wacom screen, the product line you refer to is the Cintiq line. They are essentially monitors with a penabled surface underneath them, and a protective surface above. These screens are actually not touch screen at all, and only work with the specialized Wacom pens. The difference in screens like the Pandora's and Cintiqs are about 1,000 levels of pressure sensitivity, support for buttons on the actual pen (stylus) and sensing things like barrel rotation, tilt and so on. I don't know If I can see editing vectors on the Pandora, raster painting would work well (I enjoy using !ColorsDS on my Nintendo DS, wich has a similar touch screen)
I would be totally open to trying InkScape on the Pando, but I think size and accuracy of the touch screen are going to be an issue, maybe if the physical controls on the unit are precise enough it will be possible. I also look forward to using Gimp or a ported version of !Colors as the developer is willing to release the source (hint, hint).

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 05:54 AM

Closest I can think of was the Tapwave Zodiac's Paint Forge... was interesting to use, but definitely not fully featured. It didn't use pressure sensing, so much as the analog's position (Up & down affected transparency and left right affected width). That was a pretty awesome paint program imo.

I think in some ways I prefer it to my tablet pc with the electronic pen with buttons.

So never doubt the need for a drawing program on any system, someone will want it wink.gif

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 06:06 AM

my brother has a wide wacom table, I don't know the model
it's pretty damn good, with pressure sensing on both of the digitizer pen's sides (the writing and the erasing) smile.gif really recommended!

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 06:49 AM

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Jeez Poison, way to answer the question and keep the thread on-topic...

Jeeze, absolofdoom, WAY TO CONTINUE THE OFF TOPIC TANGENT AND SOLICIT A RESPONSE wink.gif

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:23 AM

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i sucked sad.gif


I agreed!

I use Inkscape all the time on my laptop, and although I find it isn't a very fitting drawing app for something like the pandora, it will be something that can be ported fairly easy (or is already running) and will give people something to draw on the pandora with. And how much is it gonna cost us professionals to get Adobe Illustrator on our Pandora's?... Oh, right... I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but I do dislike the fact that you're sitting here bashing stuff for a reason that is totally irrelevant to the topic here. Why do you have such a hard on for bashing OSS?!? You're sitting in an OSS nest, a place where a new breed can grow! tongue.gif Either, sit back and enjoy your free ride, or Get the Fuck out imo...

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:48 AM

BTW, speaking of the touchscreen... Are these actually capable of recognizing variable pressure? Or do they just have 'click' and 'no-click'?

(BTW2: I just experimented with my Wacom tablet. The pressure-sensitivity is achieved through the pen, not the tablet. Just thinking about a bluetooth-stylus with pressure sensitivity...)

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:52 AM

QUOTE(Hooka @ Oct 28 2008, 02:23 AM) View Post

QUOTE(PoisonedV @ Oct 27 2008, 04:05 PM) View Post

i sucked sad.gif


I agreed!

I use Inkscape all the time on my laptop, and although I find it isn't a very fitting drawing app for something like the pandora, it will be something that can be ported fairly easy (or is already running) and will give people something to draw on the pandora with. And how much is it gonna cost us professionals to get Adobe Illustrator on our Pandora's?... Oh, right... I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but I do dislike the fact that you're sitting here bashing stuff for a reason that is totally irrelevant to the topic here. Why do you have such a hard on for bashing OSS?!? You're sitting in an OSS nest, a place where a new breed can grow! tongue.gif Either, sit back and enjoy your free ride, or Get the Fuck out imo...

*Note: Sorry about my colorful language, but I like to swear and do it frequently in real life tbh

if it's totally irrelevant, then why do you continue to comment on it? (commenting on something I didn't bring up in the first place.)

ALSO WOW THAT WAS A REAL CLEVER QUOTE TEEHEE

either stop taking everything so personally 'or Get the Fuck out imo...'

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 11:22 AM

I use Inkscape daily, and right now on my Aspire1 laptop with a 1024x600 screen, its more than adequate - okay, it'd be nice to have a 24" screen in my pocket, but wtf, yo?! Pandora+Inkscape == WORKS!! Yay!

And it won't be long until the mobile-device GUI for Inkscape makes the main tree, and then nobody will give a shit about toolbars disappearing off the edge of the screen, anyway.

In short: I hope we can run Inkscape on Pandora out of the box. I'm sure we will. I, for one, will be using Inkscape to make artwork for my Pandora projects. Hell, for that matter, I'll probably even be *compiling on the Pandora itself*, so suck it ..

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 12:08 PM

I work in graphic design, and having always had the luxury of access to commercial software since before open source alternatives became readily available, I’ve never really had any reason to do any real work with free software. I’ve played with GIMP, and would agree that the interface is a little bit annoying when you’re used to Photoshop, but if you know what you’re doing with one graphics editing program, it’s not that hard to adapt to another. However, if you’ve got Photoshop installed on the same machine on which you’re playing with GIMP, you probably won’t spend very long trying to find the GIMP way of doing things before saying “screw this” and double clicking on the PS icon.

For me, Pandora changes everything, and gives me a real reason to start used open source graphics software. The thought of having an idea and starting work on it straight away, rather than sketching on a piece of paper or just trying to remember it is very appealing to me. The fact that Pandora has SD card slots, like my cameras, means I could potentially walk around with a graphics studio in my pockets, and knock out some artwork anywhere.

If I was a millionaire, I would pay some developers to make a Pandora equivalent of the Adobe CSx suite. I would love to see GIMP, Inkscape, an HTML editor (Nvu may be?), possibly Scribus and ideally a Flash equivalent, all tied together with a unified interface specially tailored to the Pandora’s screen. I was a bit skeptical when Adobe started to introduce their unified interface, but it does make it very easy to switch between applications, as once you’ve learned one application, you should be able to find your way around any of the others.

The relatively small screen is not ideal, but doesn’t necessarily stop Pandora being useful. I envisage that when using graphics applications you would have the stylus in one hand, and use the shoulder button and D-Pad (or game buttons if you’re a leftie) whilst holding the machine with your other hand. If you could show/hide all of you tool bars and pallets (like pressing Tab in Photoshop), zoom in and out, and pan around the image you’re working one, without changing the position of your other hand, I think you could be fairly productive. Using the analogues could also open up some interesting possibilities.

I don’t in any way see Pandora replacing any of my graphics workstations, but I think it could be a very useful additional tool.

And seeing as we’re all swearing in this thread now SHITCOCKS!


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Posted 28 October 2008 - 03:30 PM

V, if you don't like the program, then just skip over the threads discussing it. It's better for everyone that way.

As for pressure sensitivity, it's explained in a bit of detail here.

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE(monkeyo2 @ Oct 28 2008, 08:08 AM) View Post

If I was a millionaire, I would pay some developers to make a Pandora equivalent of the Adobe CSx suite. I would love to see GIMP, Inkscape, an HTML editor (Nvu may be?), possibly Scribus and ideally a Flash equivalent, all tied together with a unified interface specially tailored to the Pandora’s screen. I was a bit skeptical when Adobe started to introduce their unified interface, but it does make it very easy to switch between applications, as once you’ve learned one application, you should be able to find your way around any of the others.

The relatively small screen is not ideal, but doesn’t necessarily stop Pandora being useful. I envisage that when using graphics applications you would have the stylus in one hand, and use the shoulder button and D-Pad (or game buttons if you’re a leftie) whilst holding the machine with your other hand. If you could show/hide all of you tool bars and pallets (like pressing Tab in Photoshop), zoom in and out, and pan around the image you’re working one, without changing the position of your other hand, I think you could be fairly productive. Using the analogues could also open up some interesting possibilities.



On the mobile Photoshop, there is one option, they have a version you can play with in your browser, if this will work on the Pandora, I don't know. Also it seems that a mobile Adobe version is possible, I was over at Adobe Labs site yesterday (I needed to upgrade to CS4, though I had CS2, I didn't have flash, and just splurged on the lot of it, work will give me something back anyway) but there is a Beta for Photoshop for Windows Smartphones. While I realize that the OS is different, don't these use similar processors? So a non windows version is possible.

Also having the quick menus, check out !Colors on the Nintendo DS, look it up on youtube, it is very nice where the shoulder buttons bring stuff up and so does the dpad for zooming and color picker. I like the way that !Colors does this so much, I really wish that Photoshop and Painter had a tool that I could bring the color picker up under my curser with one click to save time rather than going back and forth to the edge of the screen.

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE(bitz_dv @ Oct 28 2008, 03:51 PM) View Post

On the mobile Photoshop, there is one option, they have a version you can play with in your browser, if this will work on the Pandora, I don't know. Also it seems that a mobile Adobe version is possible, I was over at Adobe Labs site yesterday (I needed to upgrade to CS4, though I had CS2, I didn't have flash, and just splurged on the lot of it, work will give me something back anyway) but there is a Beta for Photoshop for Windows Smartphones. While I realize that the OS is different, don't these use similar processors? So a non windows version is possible.

Also having the quick menus, check out !Colors on the Nintendo DS, look it up on youtube, it is very nice where the shoulder buttons bring stuff up and so does the dpad for zooming and color picker. I like the way that !Colors does this so much, I really wish that Photoshop and Painter had a tool that I could bring the color picker up under my curser with one click to save time rather than going back and forth to the edge of the screen.


I'm pretty sure Photoshop Express, or what ever it's called now, uses Flash, so probably won't be usable on Pandora (at least not straight away.....), and Photoshop.com Mobile appears to just be a photo uploader for their online services rather than the mobile Photoshop that the name would imply. (InContext Editing looks as though it might be interesting to DreamWeaver users though)

I have played with Colors! on my Sister's DS as it's pretty cool (anyone who doubts it is possible to produce artwork on Pandora's small screen really should look at their gallery). If a Colors! like interface could be combined with GIMP and Inkscape's tools, I think we'd have yet another killer application for Pandora!

(Edit: Spelling and forgot to mention Inkscape to get back on topic!)

Edited by monkeyo2, 28 October 2008 - 06:56 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE(fahrstuhl @ Oct 28 2008, 09:48 AM) View Post

BTW, speaking of the touchscreen... Are these actually capable of recognizing variable pressure? Or do they just have 'click' and 'no-click'?

I've been messing around with the driver, and yes it can do some pressure sensing, returns around 16 different values for pressure.

For those interested how it will be exposed, it will be (already is, actually) accessible through standard Linux event interface (raw values), or tslib (calibrated).

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:57 PM

QUOTE(notaz @ Oct 28 2008, 02:11 PM) View Post
QUOTE(fahrstuhl @ Oct 28 2008, 09:48 AM) View Post

BTW, speaking of the touchscreen... Are these actually capable of recognizing variable pressure? Or do they just have 'click' and 'no-click'?

I've been messing around with the driver, and yes it can do some pressure sensing, returns around 16 different values for pressure.

For those interested how it will be exposed, it will be (already is, actually) accessible through standard Linux event interface (raw values), or tslib (calibrated).


Awesome! biggrin.gif


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Posted 28 October 2008 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(adamorjames @ Oct 28 2008, 09:57 PM) View Post

QUOTE(notaz @ Oct 28 2008, 02:11 PM) View Post
QUOTE(fahrstuhl @ Oct 28 2008, 09:48 AM) View Post

BTW, speaking of the touchscreen... Are these actually capable of recognizing variable pressure? Or do they just have 'click' and 'no-click'?

I've been messing around with the driver, and yes it can do some pressure sensing, returns around 16 different values for pressure.

For those interested how it will be exposed, it will be (already is, actually) accessible through standard Linux event interface (raw values), or tslib (calibrated).


Awesome! biggrin.gif

Hits the nail on the head. Very nice, 16 pressure-levels aren't bad. This makes drawing with GIMP on the Pandora even cooler. xD (And probably also with Inkscape but I've never tried that so I don't know x) )