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[Sander Hoksbergen]

All linux distros are essentially the same, and can do the same; The difference is in how it looks when it''''''''s installed...

fail.

Not really, everything has the same kernel as a base...the software around it isn''t distro locked or anything..
Sure, every distribution has their own philosophy and goals, but that still doesn''t change the core.

[dflemstr]

@Chip We're not arguing about what should be the default or anything
I'm at least aware of the fact that there will be ALOT of diffrent environments to choose between.
I'm just discussing Ubuntu in general, and it's role in the linux community.

@Sander Hoksbergen ditto, but sometimes the distro structure is very different, giving different stability etc. Just look at Ubuntu's usplash vs Fedora's plymouth. It's a generation of differences.

Edited by dflemstr, 05 April 2009 - 08:15 PM.

[conso]

All linux distros are essentially the same, and can do the same; The difference is in how it looks when it''''''''''''''''s installed...

fail.

Not really, everything has the same kernel as a base...the software around it isn''''t distro locked or anything..
Sure, every distribution has their own philosophy and goals, but that still doesn''''t change the core.

no, not every distribution uses the same kernel and no, the kernel isn''t the only thing that makes the core of an operating system. Sure, with a lot of work, you may make a fedora out of an ubuntu, but making an angstrom out of ubuntu would probably being more work then starting from scratch (using the upstream projects). It comes down to things like the init-system, the bash, package configuration and dependencies, patches and all that. A lot of infrastructural decisions go down to the distributors. A distribution is much more then a collection of packages.

[U.S.Soldier]

What''''s wrong with Ubuntu? I would like to have both Ubuntu and Angstrom. Also, Windows 7 hasn''''t really improved all that much. I want my taskbar back \:\(.

Actually it has improved dramatically the way programs run better and open is amazing it has increased FPS on games dramatically I am very impressed I wouldnt let a taskbar rule if it hasnt improved or not.....

[quote name=''Consequence9'' date=''Apr 5 2009, 05:59 PM'' post=''717036'']
[quote name=''''U.S.Soldier'''' date=''''Apr 5 2009, 12:48 PM'']
Yeah Linux is great but lets not start on whats better either...... Every OS has its advantages and disadvantages. The new windows 7 beta works great also runs very very effectively, and it seems to be faster but much better code. So in time we will see if Windows can better itself and also Apple and Linux they just need to keep striving hooah
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fail.

Improved.

U.S.Soldier: What? Why do you come up with windows etc? Its not going to happen on Pandora anyway

Angstrom was just too much for me. E17 is trying to be too modern and its not really usable in my opinion, installing any other environment resulted in kernel panics back in november for me. I like XFCE as environment and minimalistic distros much more and this is why I would choose xubuntu or gentoo over angstrom.

Its because everyone is showing there favoritism for an OS it gets annoying my Job consists of using all OS''s and it was to make sure no one goes into there fanboyism and I am Just happy with the current beta. thats all no biggy

[Consequence_9]

Its because everyone is showing there favoritism for an OS it gets annoying my Job consists of using all OS''''s and it was to make sure no one goes into there fanboyism and I am Just happy with the current beta. thats all no biggy

The point was that it doesn''t even matter because the pandora can''t run windows or osx, so why bring it up?

it''s hardly fanboyism at this point, it runs much deeper than that. Running linux is as much about the statement as it is about the OS itself. Many of the linux guys here, regardless of distro, know what I mean. Hell some of that even spills over into interest in the pandora.

[U.S.Soldier]

Bring what up points of people showing fanboism???? Thats why and you are starting to become annoying like you are an expert and I have no knowledge about linux its cool man its cool....

[javaJake]

Ubuntu is the bane of linux imo. You can use it for a year & still know nothing about linux.

And that''s a problem? The vast majority don''t want to learn how their computer works, they just want it to work. Ubuntu is all about being a system that Just Works. Ubuntu is giving the vast majority what they want.

You don''t like it? Don''t use Ubuntu. That''s the beauty of Linux, after all, right?

[dflemstr]

I don't *dislike* Ubuntu in any way, I don't just usually *use* it, because to make Ubuntu "Just Work"®, the Ubuntu team has built in VERY MANY hacks to make this possible, which also breaks alot of stuff, and I don't want to use something like that that can just crash randomly.
For example, have you ever tried running Wine and Rhythmbox simultaneously? No? Well, if you ever try that, you'll see that sometimes it doesn't work. No eror rmessages, Rhythmbox just doesn't have any sound and hangs.
That's because the Ubuntu team didn't finish their job when implementing PulseAudio and made various 'safety fallback handlers' that screw things up.

On Fedora, I never have any problems with PA, and I get positional 3D event sounds as a bonus. On Ubuntu, the structure is so messed up that sometimes the GNOME event sounds don't work (logout sound, minimize sound(yes there is one) etc just never get played) and applications randomly crash.

Edited by dflemstr, 06 April 2009 - 12:08 PM.

[Pickle]

The problem I see with using Ubuntu or any outside linux distro is the kernel. If you run it your going to get a generic arm kernel, that means no 3d, no dsp bridge, etc.
The same could happen with the gentoo project, unless of course they add it themselves.

Of course like Chip said you can run what ever you want, but dont count on it supporting everything in the pandora, or expect to be faster than stuff running off Notaz's kernel.

[Japa]

What''''s wrong with Ubuntu? I would like to have both Ubuntu and Angstrom. Also, Windows 7 hasn''''t really improved all that much. I want my taskbar back \:\(.

with a bit of tweaking, iit is perfectly possible to get the old taskbar back.

but that isn''t what caused me to go back to good ole XP

[borgqueenx]

ubuntu is the best os....i only use vista and xp, but thats becouse compability problems...

[lulzfish]

I''m using Ubuntu right now, but this whole "package management" thing is ruining Linux for me.
I can only have one version of PulseAudio, if I install the Debian version, everything screws up, I can''t roll back, I can''t delete it and re-activate the old one...
I want to move to GoboLinux as soon as I can.

Or maybe a system that has a copy-on-write setup, so I can "save" my system before I do anything dangerous or stupid, like installing Debian packages. >_>

[dflemstr]

I use LVM on Fedora and can therefore make OS snapshots before I make risky updates
I think you can use LVM on ubuntu too, but then you need the Alternative Install CD or something.
BTW: Why install the Debian PA version? To get JACK support or what?
And yeah, that's also a problem with Ubuntu, there are too many bad old Debian packages lying around.

And GoboLinux seems to be quite good; hope it gets more package support, tho.

Edited by dflemstr, 06 April 2009 - 02:42 PM.

[mindlord]

I''''m using Ubuntu right now, but this whole "package management" thing is ruining Linux for me.
I can only have one version of PulseAudio, if I install the Debian version, everything screws up, I can''''t roll back, I can''''t delete it and re-activate the old one...
I want to move to GoboLinux as soon as I can.

Or maybe a system that has a copy-on-write setup, so I can "save" my system before I do anything dangerous or stupid, like installing Debian packages. >_>

I thought Synaptic had an Undo feature that allowed you to roll non-critical packages back. Additionally, if you right click a package, in a lot of cases it will allow to you install an older revision if you need to for compatibility reasons. You can also Force the uninstall of a broken package so you can install a proper one.

[dflemstr]

I thought Synaptic had an Undo feature that allowed you to roll non-critical packages back. Additionally, if you right click a package, in a lot of cases it will allow to you install an older revision if you need to for compatibility reasons. You can also Force the uninstall of a broken package so you can install a proper one.

In theory, yes.
In practice, no.
It's often the case that the uninstall scripts in a deb don't remove everythign they installed, and there are also some debs that modify files etc without rolling back their changes when uninstalling. There are thus cases when the DEB system just breaks because of a faulty package.