[emil10001]

Asmo, on 10 October 2009 - 07:37 AM, said:

So, one of the 105 will be needed for submitting to 'real' CE & FCC tests before any further mass production can begin?

I think that's the point of this early test. They want to make sure that it will pass before they mass produce a ton of parts. So, pandora passes this test, then they mass produce the boards and cases, then as the first MP cases come in, they can get the real CE and FCC tests done.

[EvilDragon]

emil10001, on 10 October 2009 - 04:43 PM, said:

Asmo, on 10 October 2009 - 07:37 AM, said:

So, one of the 105 will be needed for submitting to 'real' CE & FCC tests before any further mass production can begin?

I think that's the point of this early test. They want to make sure that it will pass before they mass produce a ton of parts. So, pandora passes this test, then they mass produce the boards and cases, then as the first MP cases come in, they can get the real CE and FCC tests done.

Eeeexactly :)

[Near-kun]

This test scheduled to 14 Oct is the PRE CE or the TRUE CE test already?

I mean... This is our limiting factor now... I wander if we can get our pandoras before the end of november...

[Kloplop321]

IIRC it is the Pre- CE, just so they can safely go on and do the mass production of the rest of the boards, and then put the new case on them. Their next step is to take it back in with the new case and get it certified

[Monk]

Near-kun, on 10 October 2009 - 03:36 PM, said:

This test scheduled to 14 Oct is the PRE CE or the TRUE CE test already?

I mean... This is our limiting factor now... I wander if we can get our pandoras before the end of november...

It is the "pre" CE test. This is the one that gives them the "it's all clear, go ahead and make another 3895 boards because they will pass CE tests just like this one did" confirmation. Assuming this prototype passes CE testing, it would have to be faulty (or the case react significantly differently to the final case) for it to pass yet an "actual" final unit fail (same board, only the case is slightly different. Oh - and the keymat). They're pretty confident already, but a few thousand euros is probably worth it just to be REALLY sure before having nearly 4000 more boards made up for considerably more $.

[Aninhumer]

Someone said earlier that the real FCC test certification would take 8-12 weeks?
Would that be 8-12 weeks AFTER the first real Pandora is made? :blink:
Or am I misunderstanding that somehow?

[Dunny]

Aninhumer, on 10 October 2009 - 06:31 PM, said:

Someone said earlier that the real FCC test certification would take 8-12 weeks?
Would that be 8-12 weeks AFTER the first real Pandora is made? :blink:
Or am I misunderstanding that somehow?

The Pandora will be tested by a third party. It takes (normally) 8 weeks at minimum after they (the certification body) receive the results of the testing, after which they then make a response. It's not unknown for some devices to take 6 months or more to get a certificate - we had one device that was waiting 5 months, and we knew it had already passed.

There are mechanisms in place which can expedite the process so that it can take only a fortnight at most. I'm not suggesting that this will not be the case with the Pandora, but given this machine's track record for delays, I'd say it's an even bet that it will be delayed for at least three months from the point of manufacture.

This way, I'll not be upset when it's delayed again.

D.

[Monk]

Aninhumer, on 10 October 2009 - 05:31 PM, said:

Someone said earlier that the real FCC test certification would take 8-12 weeks?
Would that be 8-12 weeks AFTER the first real Pandora is made? :blink:
Or am I misunderstanding that somehow?

FCC testing, like the "full" or "final" CE testing, is to be done on a full, finished, Mass Production unit. So that needs the full, final case and the full, final keymat and so on. I can't vouch for the 8-12 weeks, nor can I confirm that ED "has a guy" who will get it done quicker, but the FCC testing needs a finished, final, retail unit to test. Apparently. So yes - the FCC delay doesn't start until they have finished retail Pandoras to perform the test on.

Future batches could have the CE and FCC certification on the cases, if they redo the relevant part of the mold.

[Keen]

"Let's wait and see what the future holds ...
in the next 2 months"

that is what Evil Dragon said in his blog. I thing I have lost something... That it means we have to wait minimum 2 months more to see our Pandoras?In spanish we say "Esto es el cuento de nunca acabar"

[craigix]

We don't plan to wait for the FCC, we will ship without it. Thinkgeek (for example) ship numerous items without FCC, as do hundreds of other online stores in the USA, and don't even get me started on ebay...

[Near-kun]

So... why exactly you guys need to to such a test?
Why not just the CE testing?

[dflemstr]

Near-kun, on 11 October 2009 - 08:14 PM, said:

So... why exactly you guys need to to such a test?
Why not just the CE testing?

Because they want to be able to sell Pandoras to american retailers that then resell them, and that will require them to "export" the product officially to the US.

[matzesu]

craigix, on 11 October 2009 - 06:58 PM, said:

We don't plan to wait for the FCC, we will ship without it. Thinkgeek (for example) ship numerous items without FCC, as do hundreds of other online stores in the USA, and don't even get me started on ebay...

So this means, whe give our life in the hands of the good hardwaredevelop of Michael Weston?, The first 4000 pandoras has no certificat?, thats very strange..

This post has been edited by matzesu: 11 October 2009 - 06:44 PM

[MDave]

Near-kun, on 11 October 2009 - 07:14 PM, said:

So... why exactly you guys need to to such a test?
Why not just the CE testing?

With FCC they can legally sell Pandora's from within the US.

EDIT: Doh, too slow.

This post has been edited by MDave: 11 October 2009 - 07:08 PM

[matzesu]

And whats yet? Do Craig sell the pandoras illegal to USA? ok his roof is a good hide when the guys from the fbi comes.. B)