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#16 User is offline   RajTakhar

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 09:27 PM

View Post#1 GameMaster, on 29 October 2009 - 09:19 PM, said:

So if everything is good then all the Pandoras should ship out before Christmas right?


Christmass is a little too optimistic for all units to ship a certain proportion will ship, hopefully a shed load will ship - fingers crossed and no more tweaks needed

Bear in mind
Halloween - The states go crazy for a couple of days
Thanksgiving - Nov 4th to at least 5th another US holiday
Veterans Day - Nov 11th

If that was not bad enough

UK - Postal strikes and christmas

At least we will be okay for chinese holidays and all that

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 09:29 PM

Yes, Wizardstan is right, these will be a small test run of real cases.

If they are okay we will make up a batch of Pandora consoles and send them out, probably to devs (so they have a free unit to reward them for their work) and for press reviews.

Then we will start building the rest. We are aiming to have a good supply going out by the end of November.

People in the Dallas area are welcome to come and help us build these as they come off the production line (as long as we get permission), it would speed things up.

Wow, could the adventure finally be over? :)

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 09:36 PM

Damn, that's a tempting offer, I have relatives in the dallas area... ROAD TRIP!

Who else from the Midwest wants to throw down on a van rental?

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 09:37 PM

So, press units are going to go out before we get ours?!? I mean, don't get me wrong, you can do whatever you want with your product. I would just think that it'd be nice for us users who paid and have waited over a year for these things to ship, would get them before the press. And what would be done with the press attention anyways? You said yourself that you would be waiting at least another few months before taking orders for the second batch.

Sorry, but I just don't see the logic there.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 09:40 PM

Why not send out review one at the end not the start?
Can think of a few reasons why and to be honest you don't need the publicity before you've even shipped.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 09:48 PM

I think the devs deserve the first ones more than the rest of us and a few for the press is really not a big deal. I mean how many pandoras are we really talking about here?

Building hype and interest is always a good idea anyways. Probably more so when the pandora is not available. You know, the old want-what-you-can't-have thing.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 09:49 PM

OMG, hope they finally get shipped, btw i also think that review units should also wait a bit becuase there are "none or near none" units left for sale for at least maybe 6 months?


btw they never answered my question about the silkscreen.

is this being sent with the cases already marked (in china)?
or we wil have to wait more test now for the silkscreen two weeks™?.

also how are they going to print it since real "silkscreen" would be impossible to use on the models showed before?

(srry i went offtopic, but since craigx seems to be answering this thread i hoped it caught his attention)

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:00 PM

View PostMonkeyChops, on 29 October 2009 - 09:48 PM, said:

Building hype and interest is always a good idea anyways. Probably more so when the pandora is not available. You know, the old want-what-you-can't-have thing.

That's one of the reasons why they should wait before giving them to press!
At least give us a chance to road test them first,
iron out silly bugs,
wont be vapour wear just hard to get hold off. (You gotta remember it's been coming in 2 months for a year now, so they'll still be sceptical even with it in their hands)
They can't deal with the enquiries as it is.
And I could go on, a few weeks for the press to wait can make all the difference to what they get to review.
I understand the eagerness to show it of but the amount of publicity from users will be a lot better than a reviewer saying it'll be nice but it's buggy as it is etc

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:17 PM

View PostNa-Noo, on 29 October 2009 - 06:00 PM, said:

...You gotta remember it's been coming in 2 months for a year now...


lol, I ordered in the first 1/2 hour of pre-orders, the ONLY thing that can make me forget about the wait is a pandora in my hand.

The wait has literally turned my into an obsessive F5 machine.

Forget?! :lol: that's rich!

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:19 PM

It's actually more to do with the fact the press won't get the keep them and we need to remove the 'vaporware' myth. It's likely we will use the well tested boards in them - I'd rather not give them to customers.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:24 PM

View Postcraigix, on 29 October 2009 - 04:29 PM, said:

People in the Dallas area are welcome to come and help us build these as they come off the production line (as long as we get permission), it would speed things up.

Seriously Craig if I get to meet y'all or ED or MWeston I will skip class and drive up to Dallas and be there with y'all. That would be amazing. Please actually look into this, because I'd love the experience of helping out with the Pandoras. Plus you'd save on shipping mine :P I'm in the first couple hours of orders.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:24 PM

View Postcraigix, on 29 October 2009 - 11:19 PM, said:

It's actually more to do with the fact the press won't get the keep them and we need to remove the 'vaporware' myth. It's likely we will use the well tested boards in them - I'd rather not give them to customers.


I guess proving the doubters and naysayers wrong will be nice for you and the team. Looking forward to the next few weeks "I gotta feelin whoo hoo"

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:32 PM

View Postcraigix, on 29 October 2009 - 10:19 PM, said:

It's actually more to do with the fact the press won't get the keep them and we need to remove the 'vaporware' myth. It's likely we will use the well tested boards in them - I'd rather not give them to customers.


Makes sense. Good way to use the test boards actually.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:32 PM

View PostMonkeyChops, on 29 October 2009 - 05:48 PM, said:

I think the devs deserve the first ones more than the rest of us and a few for the press is really not a big deal. I mean how many pandoras are we really talking about here?

Building hype and interest is always a good idea anyways. Probably more so when the pandora is not available. You know, the old want-what-you-can't-have thing.


I don't disagree about the devs. I do disagree with giving the press some of those first units. To me there is nothing to gain from sending out units to the press before sending them out to us paying customers. What exactly is press coverage going to buy the team at this point? They aren't selling anything right now, so why drum up a lot of demand? To me, it would seem a better idea to wait to send units to the media until closer to the second batch pre-order. They have already locked in support for the first batch, and the best way to keep that support is to start sending units to actual customers. If they decide to send out units to the media before sending them to us, this is what will happen:

Several websites do reviews of the hardware. It's awesome, everything they expected, great reviews, they will complain that it doesn't run crysis, whatever. People who have been following the project through these other sites will get interested, and will think, 'ok, i've been waiting to get in on this, but now that it definitely isn't vaporware, I'll put down the cash.' They will find their way here and see a lot of pissed off customers still waiting to get their first batch units that they paid for over a year ago. A good number of those people will see this and have second thoughts about buying. Another good number will see the boards and realize that they have no chance of buying a unit sometime next year, with a delivery date of next summer at the earliest. That, together with the fact that they haven't shipped to first batch customers yet will turn away another good chunk of potential customers. And of course some minority will be willing to put up with all of this, and hang on and buy one anyways.

This isn't to say that when pre-order time comes around again that they won't have enough interest, but rather that it probably isn't the best way to maximize interest, which is the point here.

An alternate route would be sending it to customers first, and picking a good, strategic time to send units out for review (after all paying customers have received their units). The boards will become a happy place after a majority of us get our unit, and software will evolve. Units for review can wait to be sent out until there is an apparent lull in gadget news, such that the pandora will really be getting the kind of attention that it deserves. Again, it will probably get really good reviews, still doesn't play crysis, again, whatever. eople who have been following the project through these other sites will get interested, and will think, 'ok, i've been waiting to get in on this, but now that it definitely isn't vaporware, I'll put down the cash.' They will find their way here and see a lot of satisfied customers. They will look a little further and see that it will be a while before the second batch ships, but they will also see that OP was able to meet the demands of the first batch customers, even though it took them a long time to do it. They will still lose some people due to the wait, but not nearly as many as they would by rushing the attention.

Also, I paid for one of these things over a year ago, with a delivery promise of 11 months ago (when I ordered). I want it ASAP!

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:34 PM

View Postcraigix, on 29 October 2009 - 10:19 PM, said:

It's actually more to do with the fact the press won't get the keep them and we need to remove the 'vaporware' myth. It's likely we will use the well tested boards in them - I'd rather not give them to customers.

I'm not worried about them being worn out(Have faith in you lot), I'm talking software, yes devs done good job, but its best to let us uncover the kinks. (not saying devs are sloppy or anything either)
It's a bit late to worry about the vaporware myth, that will be gone when all the youtube vids goes up.
I'm not saying wait months, just be bit more patient. Wouldn't be surprise if the devs agree with me, couple weeks wont mean much to press, but it could mean the difference of little annoying bugs being uncovered and squashed.

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To be fair unlike emil10001 I'm talking about software as I don't think my previous post would convince Craig and I'm not at keyboard to write as good a post as emil10001

This post has been edited by Na-Noo: 29 October 2009 - 10:44 PM


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