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[.Gogeta§§J4BR.]

but when it was a mere nobody on youtube, sure, everyone downvoted and even craig complained.
I like craig and most of the OP team, I just don't like when I'm correct and people argue with me like that, like a group of fanboys.
and I still haven't heard a thing about the pandora going zodiac-crazy (analog on drugs) on one of the quake 3 videos...

(yeah, I only quoted what I wanted to talk about, not the whole thing )

[Na-Noo]

I may be missing your point, but he doesn't seem to be agreeing with you.
He may say it's loose but he also mentioned why it maybe the case, which was confirmed.
That units hinge was actually tested, literally to destruction.
So you could say why does it work at all if anything

[.Gogeta§§J4BR.]

you are. I said there was a hinge problem, everyone yelled at me.
the case notaz received is pretty much like the one used in the videos I linked above and complained about.
then it got fixed, and now it's ok (as the last craig hinge video suggests)

[hosant]

Errm, nope, since those tweaks are already done on the final boards

I had no problem removing and reinserting the battery while the system was running off AC.
The only thing that stopped was charging when the battery was removed
Though it started to recharge once I popped it back in

Si, this a confirmation that the Pandora will work without the battery/while charging the battery?

[MWeston]

Working with no battery is pretty new. Every board since rev1 was capable of it based on a connection being populated or not with a specific part. Recently, the final decision on which part to populate was made based on the performance of the battery charger. There was a software fix to re-enable a bit that the TI boot ROM had turned off before it exited. This was messing stuff up with the adapter input path and caused the board to reboot in an infinite cycle once the board current got above a couple hundred milliamps, sometimes less and sometimes more. Since the fix, I've only seen one board not work without the battery and it had other issues which may have been related.

The no-battery mode is still being considered experimental until thousands of customers all say it works, but it certainly doesn't damage anything to use it in this way and requires no internal modifications. Also, the 1A restriction on no-battery mode is a hardware limitation designed in by TI and not something that can be changed. I have played games, operated the WiFi and done all the normal stuff on adapter only and it worked fine. The current never peaked above about 720mA so it was under the 1A limit. You just can't expect to power stuff with the host port while the battery is out.

[WizardStan]

you are. I said there was a hinge problem, everyone yelled at me.
the case notaz received is pretty much like the one used in the videos I linked above and complained about.
then it got fixed, and now it's ok (as the last craig hinge video suggests)

Except the case notaz received is not "pretty much like the one used in the videos". It USED to be pretty much like the one used in the videos, and then Craig opened and closed it a thousand times, overextending it and slamming it again. He basically beat the heck out of that hinge before sending it to notaz. The only judgment anyone should be making on that hinge is "wow, it's still in one piece", not how tight or loose it is.
The hinge was never fixed, you were just making an opinion based on not seeing something. That's why you were downvoted, not because you disagreed, but because you basically said "I didn't see X therefore X doesn't exist". Except X is some concept of a solid hinge. It wasn't fixed, it was just Craig showing you the supposed solidness of the hinge.

[.Gogeta§§J4BR.]

Tthe case opened and closed a zillion times is fine. now this case does have a hinge problem, which everyone tried to hide or not talk about, but was eventually caught on the video.
Even though he keeps the lid 100% open to show and play, you can see on the video itself the problem I'm talking about.
The force the finger applies to open/close that screen was small enough that the screen weight itself would open it (check 2:52, made it flat with no force)...
The way it closes on 2:05 was already supposed to make you worried.

btw I just wrote "in advance: the video does NOT show what I'm talking about, we'll really only check it out on hands" in the comments so people wouldn't be kid enough to say "meh, I don't see it falling!", because I didn't say it was falling, instead I said there was a problem perceived from other signs present on the video.

You see, this is why the fanboy army always try to win. they like to argue, not see the arguments and solve the problem. I've seen a lot of it from this scene, it's been years like this.
And if you leave the topic for a day, you are outposted. The mass fanboyism attack gets to a new page and everyone just forgets about serious arguments and try to flame "that guy who said something bad about the pandora or craig or something".
I enjoy this project, but sometimes hiding behing a fan wall won't get you nowhere. Instead of acknowledging problems or explaining wtf is going on, just leave the brute force to the fanbase...
That's why I should have followed my own advice and stay off the boards until some other major thing happens (good or bad)...
enjoy your wasted time, fellows

Edited by .Gogeta§§J4BR., 03 February 2010 - 04:30 AM.

[Gruso]

better late than never: thank you notaz for making such a great, unbiased review of the test unit.

cons:
- loose hinge, can only have it fully open or fully closed.

I remember complaining about the hinge exactly how you describe it, when craig released a video on youtube here

The force the finger applies to open/close that screen was small enough that the screen weight itself would open it (check 2:52, made it flat with no force)...
The way it closes on 2:05 was already supposed to make you worried.

Well, I thought I'd have another look at the two parts of the video that you mention. I've got no desire to shoot you down or defend the product unnecessarily - I can happily accept that we've seen flaws in the past and that they've been fixed. But, I honestly can't see the problems you're talking about.

At 2:05, we see the lid snap shut by itself from about 45 degrees. As far as I can tell it wasn't loose, or falling due to gravity. It looked more like spring tension in the hinge (like most clamshells). It seemed to snap shut pretty hard which I found a little disconcerting, but I didn't see anything unusual or flawed in the action.

At 2:52, the Pandora is off camera. You seem to be saying that the lid "falls" open to a flat position by itself. What I'm seeing is Craig trying to flick it open with one hand, because there is too much hinge friction for it to fall open itself.

Maybe I'm being a blind fanboy and I don't even know it. Honestly, I was hoping to see what you were talking about. But I didn't. Maybe I'm not reading your post correctly?

Edited by Gruso, 03 February 2010 - 04:50 AM.

[Prometheus]

Tthe case opened and closed a zillion times is fine. now this case does have a hinge problem, which everyone tried to hide or not talk about, but was eventually caught on the video.

Pardon me if I'm misreading your post, but it appears to be saying that Notaz has a different case to the one that was opened and closed a lot of times.

I'm not being a fangirl at all (go and check my posting history if you like - I've rarely, if ever, commented in threads like this at all), but my understanding is that the one Notaz has apparently IS the one that was opened and closed a gajillion times. Notaz has said that, although you left that line out when you quoted him before, and Craig has said the same too.

If I'm misunderstanding, then please accept my apologies and feel free to ignore this reply.

[Enverex]

If the screens were that bad why haven't any of you picked up on that from the videos? Beacuse they aren't too bad maybe? LOL

Stop fretting over nothing FGS.

Because most videos were of such low quality that it's hard to pick up on anything in them? And most things you do notice are put down to the quality of the video, not what is actually being filmed. That's why low quality YouTube videos are not particularly helpful.

[Na-Noo]

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Pretty much agree with 90% of what you wrote there.
I'm just saying that it's unfair to only quote half of what notaz said, as the pandora he received was after the abuse to the hinge which was all about seeing what you can do until it seriously degrades.
I for one liked the fact that he mentioned it even though others felt it was unfair too (that and the screen and case). He was just giving his views to what he received, even if it may not be what we get.
What you seem to be talking about was prior to the abuse, and so seem to be talking about something different. You - problem with the hinge fundamentally, notaz - problem with the hinge due to abused by Craig.

If the screens were that bad why haven't any of you picked up on that from the videos? Beacuse they aren't too bad maybe? LOL

Stop fretting over nothing FGS.

Because most videos were of such low quality that it's hard to pick up on anything in them? And most things you do notice are put down to the quality of the video, not what is actually being filmed. That's why low quality YouTube videos are not particularly helpful.

We know what screen it's using so its possible to read other reviews, or even go take a look at it.
Did enjoy the comparison shots.
I'm all for high quality vids as well though

[EvilDragon]

If the screens were that bad why haven't any of you picked up on that from the videos? Beacuse they aren't too bad maybe? LOL

Stop fretting over nothing FGS.

Because most videos were of such low quality that it's hard to pick up on anything in them? And most things you do notice are put down to the quality of the video, not what is actually being filmed. That's why low quality YouTube videos are not particularly helpful.

Errmm... all the videos I did were 720p?

[VRAndy]

Since MWeston, Notaz, and Craigix all seem to agree that the device isn't really usable with the hinge in the half-open "notebook" configuration, perhaps the lead image on OpenPandora.org should be changed?

[Enverex]

If the screens were that bad why haven't any of you picked up on that from the videos? Beacuse they aren't too bad maybe? LOL

Stop fretting over nothing FGS.

Because most videos were of such low quality that it's hard to pick up on anything in them? And most things you do notice are put down to the quality of the video, not what is actually being filmed. That's why low quality YouTube videos are not particularly helpful.

Errmm... all the videos I did were 720p?

I was referring to the ones over time, not just the ones from Notaz.

Since MWeston, Notaz, and Craigix all seem to agree that the device isn't really usable with the hinge in the half-open "notebook" configuration, perhaps the lead image on OpenPandora.org should be changed?

Erm, wait what? That's pretty much exclusively how I intended to use it as it was going to sit on my desk. It's not going to be any use fully open because I'd have to be standing over it...

[Days]

Errmm... all the videos I did were 720p?

Somehow I don't think youtube streaming maintains that quality.