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[foleyjo]

If you told me you had a problem running a piece of software with your PC, would I tell you to go out and buy an Apple Mac?

No but you might say go buy a better videocard / processor/ more ram

Edited by foleyjo, 08 February 2012 - 05:30 PM.

[foleyjo]

Seriously though use realsid as it does produce better sound and use frameskip = 2 as it doesn't differ too much from a real 64

[frolik]

I sympathise with the situation of the C64 not being emulated well, I have personally invested a hell of a lot of time trying to make it work well on the old GP32 GP2X and Wiz. There are ancient threads somewhere where I discussed my efforts collating working disks and tampering with games to get them working on inadequate emulators. It is an age old problem. This is pretty much the sole reason I didn't get a Caanoo because I want to enjoy playing C64 games rather than spending hours in a futile attempt to make games work properly.

The bottom line really is that until someone invests time working on a decent port, it will always be a painful experience.

I didn't mean to antagonise anyone by recommending the dingoo, more paying it forward (was so grateful of qbertaddict mentioning in a wiz post) so people are aware what is possible elsewhere.

Anyway good luck, always nice to hear from 64 enthusiasts!

[Pickle]

The bottom line really is that until someone invests time working on a decent port, it will always be a painful experience.

I didn't mean to antagonise anyone by recommending the dingoo, more paying it forward (was so grateful of qbertaddict mentioning in a wiz post) so people are aware what is possible elsewhere.

But it is absurd to suggest there is something different between the two ports, both are normal compilations of vice. I highly doubt any changes were made in the core emulation for the dingoo version. They are running the same core software, the only likely difference is the settings, key being the true drive emulation option. If you dont have the right settings with vice then its going to be slow on either device.

[frolik]

I can't say for sure as I don't have a Caanoo, but the wiz build of vice has a completely different set of menu options to that of the dingoo. See 18 seconds into this video as an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAXzPPvsfQY

Also dingoo version has no options for resid, fastsid etc. So I am seeing them as 2 quite different builds.

[Pickle]

I can't say for sure as I don't have a Caanoo, but the wiz build of vice has a completely different set of menu options to that of the dingoo. See 18 seconds into this video as an example:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=OAXzPPvsfQY

Also dingoo version has no options for resid, fastsid etc. So I am seeing them as 2 quite different builds.

Those are just the frontends, the caanoo/wiz ports use an old gp2x frontend. Pandora uses an official generic SDL frontend. Im not sure what dingoo is using, looks similar to the generic SDL one though.

[foleyjo]

I personally have a decent emulation experience with the Caanoo version using the settings that Han mentioned.
True drive emulation should be used when you have a game that requires the turbo functions of the 1541 disk drive. This can slow things down because it loads the disk as if it was in a real drive.

The front end is very basic on the Caanoo version. The best I've seen (and mentioned before) is the PSP version. This is the main update that I would like to see for caanoo version.

[frolik]

I can't say for sure as I don't have a Caanoo, but the wiz build of vice has a completely different set of menu options to that of the dingoo. See 18 seconds into this video as an example:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=OAXzPPvsfQY

Also dingoo version has no options for resid, fastsid etc. So I am seeing them as 2 quite different builds.

Those are just the frontends, the caanoo/wiz ports use an old gp2x frontend. Pandora uses an official generic SDL frontend. Im not sure what dingoo is using, looks similar to the generic SDL one though.

OK I see, but still the old frontend is missing a hell of a lot of options. I don't know how the two are ported but personally I think it would be worthwhile having the menu that more resembles that of an official build of vice.

[kikendo]

The PSP version of VICE runs much better without having to reduce the framerate and at a lower CPU speed. This clearly shows the Caanoo version has a problem.
I Wish more coders were dedicated to the Caanoo right now, I Feel the platform has been abandoned

[Reesy]

The PSP version of VICE runs much better without having to reduce the framerate and at a lower CPU speed. This clearly shows the Caanoo version has a problem.
I Wish more coders were dedicated to the Caanoo right now, I Feel the platform has been abandoned

I Wish people like you would stop whinging about lack of coders and learn to code themselves. Unfortunately the Caanoo user base is full of people who want something for nothing and then complain that software that the few coders produce is not good enough for them!

[Klumpen]

Unfortunately the Caanoo user base is full of people who want something for nothing

That is not really true. Just look at the gpsp-thread und some others.
There are many people who want to spend money for better emulation.

Maybe most of the people would spend more for the already existing ports,
if there would be more "donate"-links at http://dl.openhandhe...-bin/caanoo.cgi
and if people who do not use paypal at all would have the chance to donate as well.

Edited by Klumpen, 09 February 2012 - 08:44 AM.

[foleyjo]

That's a bit harsh from both of you.

Reesy - To be fair the Caanoo is advertised as a handheld that can play lots of retro games on emulators. True when doing some research you find out to what extent it can play them, but that doesn't mean people aren't going to be disappointed to find the emulator they purchased it for isn't that good when compared to other platforms. It does seem that there are a few programs that have come so far and then been abandoned with requests being ignored or the requester being told to buy a different handheld.
That being said I for one am very impressed with the work the Caanoo coders have been doing and think a small few have produced a lot of good products.

kikendo - The Caanoo only looks abandoned when you compare it to other platforms. There are still some dedicated developers about doing some amazing stuff. However they have other projects that they are working on as well as jobs and social lives. I'm sure if you ask around nicely (and maybe provide some source code from other platforms) someone would have a look at compiling it to work with Caanoo. They can usually tell pretty quickly if a lot of work will be involved. Maybe Reesy would consider seeing if he could add some optimizations to Vice if you ask him nicely. We might get a DrVice


Oh and I played on vice again last night and found if you use Frameskip - Auto you tend to get a bad framerate. So stick with frameskip 1 or 2

Edited by foleyjo, 09 February 2012 - 08:55 AM.

[jimjamz]

If you told me you had a problem running a piece of software with your PC, would I tell you to go out and buy an Apple Mac?

No but you might say go buy a better videocard / processor/ more ram

No, because that would be similar to saying "go buy a new screen, buttons, a RAM upgrade and a faster SD card for your CAANOO".

The point I was trying to make is, don't tell people to go out and buy a completely different PLATFORM / DEVICE for software that people are having speed problems with on their current platform.

So, it would be more like saying "I'm going to throw my PC out and buy a mac because it runs Microsoft Office faster".

btw, I hate macs and I hate apple.

[qbertaddict]

The PSP version of VICE runs much better without having to reduce the framerate and at a lower CPU speed. This clearly shows the Caanoo version has a problem.
I Wish more coders were dedicated to the Caanoo right now, I Feel the platform has been abandoned

I Wish people like you would stop whinging about lack of coders and learn to code themselves. Unfortunately the Caanoo user base is full of people who want something for nothing and then complain that software that the few coders produce is not good enough for them!

I don't want something for nothing. I donate all the time. I even donated a caanoo to a dingoo developer who said he would port some of his great stuff from the dingoo and he didn't. So I thought about it a while and said to myself..The work he did on the dingoo more than paid for the caanoo I sent him. I also offered $100 for a port of vice that equals the dingoo port and no one batted an eye. I am thankful for what I do have available to me on all the open handheld systems I have. If someone fixes the vice port cool if not oh well we have one hell of a psx emulator

[Pickle]

The PSP version of VICE runs much better without having to reduce the framerate and at a lower CPU speed. This clearly shows the Caanoo version has a problem.
I Wish more coders were dedicated to the Caanoo right now, I Feel the platform has been abandoned

I Wish people like you would stop whinging about lack of coders and learn to code themselves. Unfortunately the Caanoo user base is full of people who want something for nothing and then complain that software that the few coders produce is not good enough for them!

I also offered $100 for a port of vice that equals the dingoo port and no one batted an eye. I am thankful for what I do have available to me on all the open handheld systems I have. If someone fixes the vice port cool if not oh well we have one hell of a psx emulator

thats because both the caanoo and dingoo are straight/direct/as-in-the-same/from the source code compilations. The only difference is the machine and the settings and the frontend.
You keep living in this fantasy that some how something must be different, but there isnt.
There is nothing to FIX!