[Mithrildor]

Yup , we want a timeline which isnt vague. We want to know how much time things need (as much as the OP knows) and which things on the timeline can happen at the same time.

[Chip]

So I will go back to my original point. If the only information that we get is riddled with more questions, do not give us the information. That is all. This is my opinion, however I feel you would have a lot less confused people.

Except that none of these questions exist until you invent them. The problem isn''t cryptic communication, it''s deliberately cryptic interpretation.

ED posts "There is SOME stuff to be fixed, but nothing that major. We don''t want to deliver a non-perfect case to you, though (and I''m sure you all agree), so we''ll work on it for the next few days."

And instead of taking that at face value, you decide to interpret that as somehow adding months of delays and post an extended rant about how "disrespectful" we''re being by lying to you. Every question you asked in your rant has been addressed already. If you didn''t believe the answers the first time around, why should I bother answering them again?

There are no secret inner truths. We''re just giving you updates as they come up, and you''re inventing the conspiracy all on your own. If you just assume that we mean what we say instead of searching for hidden meaning that isn''t there, the mystery and confusion dissolve.

[G189]

Just my two cents - we''re all going to have the Pandora for much longer than we''ve been waiting for, so a minor delay now is nothing to worry about if the case is being perfected (which we all know it will be).

We''ve seen Quake, we''ve seen the prototype in action, we''ve seen the beginnings of possible PSP and Dreamcast emulators and lot s more - all within the last couple of weeks.

I can understand why people are getting frustrated but I do think we''re getting told the reasons why. The problem is that, until the team are happy with the machine, they can''t push the button, and there are too many indeterminates to be able to say exactly how long it''s going to be.

I can''t wait for my Pandora, but I want it to be right, and only the OP team know how to do that. I wouldn''t have a friggin'' clue where to start building something like this.

Chances are we''ll get a new vid in the next few days and everyone can breath again for a bit :-)

All the best to the OP team. We''re rooting for for you.

[emil10001]

@Phawx I think I get what you''re asking for. The major problem that I see with your request, is that we are fairly lucky to get the updates that we do. We can''t necessarily expect that in the dev''s rush to get us information, in between doing actual work, that they will sit there and try to figure out the questions that we will have about their post. It is perhaps more efficient for them simply to give us the info when they have a chance, and then we ask the questions that the update raises for us. Especially since my questions will likely be different from your questions.

I agree that giving out a solid date is not the greatest idea, but they really haven''t done that in a while. There have been some guesses, but I don''t recall a dev team member handing out a solid date for delivery in the past two months. They have mostly been pointing us to a relative time-line, which, to me, is more helpful anyways.

[Patrick R Ludvigsen]

Yeah, seeing PSP and Dreamcast emulators in rudimentary stages, with great devs... seriously I''d say I''m pretty happy right now

[lingenfr]

I would suggest that the devs consider posting a weekly update on the blog with three sections:

1) This weeks activity:

2) Next weeks activity or next steps:

3) Remaining steps and estimated time to complete:

Post that COB each Friday and answer additional questions very, very sparingly. Assign one team member to do that so the message is consistent. I understand the devs are busy. I don''t think a message once a week is too much to expect. I would rather have one consistent update each week than having to try and glean information by reading a multitude of posts throughout the week that tend to disrespect the devs and waste their time. I agree with Chip that all the Junior G-Men Engineer wannabe''s don''t help the rest of us understand.

On a side note, delays bother me for one reason and one reason only... they continue to be accompanied by discussions of the next gen Pandora. If the devs agree to a two-year feature freeze or some type of economical upgrade path, I''m OK. If the Pandora 2 comes out a year or less after the first gen thereby discouraging developers from continuing to support the original Pandora, I will be very disappointed. Bottom line, I would like some reasonable period of time to use my Pandora before I am forced to forklift upgrade in order to run the latest software. I think that helping us retain the value of our investment is not to much to ask. Yes, Moore''s Law chaps my arse.

[Phawx]

@chip

You gotta relax, guy. First try not exaggerating what I said. When Craig first said a tweak to the case was necessary, that was all the info he has given and when I asked if he could clarify that, he basically said the same thing.

A tweak to the case to me meant that the physical case would need to be tested and based on prior turn around times with getting things to Fatih to Mweston I said it would take an extra month <---- notice this is singular not plural.

Second, I never said we were being *lied* too. I said to be straight with us. As in, if you have information please be kind to answer the questions that will arise from that.

Seriously, after Craig said, "Just some final tweaks to the case." at post #50 in the thread "New Video: Complete, Working, Portable Pandora, from Craigix" What do you want to me pull from that? If you think reasoning that this would add a month delay based from prior knowledge that the FDM and CNC both took that long to get, why would that be "deliberately cryptic interpretation"?

I based it off of what we saw. However, if he was just *straight* with me when I asked the question on Post #49, we would not be down this road. Once again. He did not lie. He just did not answer my question. I am afraid this is not coming across clear, *I do not want a guaranteed date.*

Look it is pretty simple. If you are going to give information, why not divulge everything that pertains to it? Before anyone gives me the shpeel about "how they would rather OP spend time on the Pandora than here typing to us" I am not asking for paragraphs of information. Literally, Craig could have answered my question in five words.

Please stop misinterpreting what I say.

EDIT: Also my question was why OP was afraid to be straight with us. Hence the topic "Between a rock and a hard place". That was the only question in the thread I wanted addressed and it has never been addressed before and you still won''t bother to address it now.

This post has been edited by Phawx: 30 March 2009 - 05:43 PM

[EvilDragon]

Just phoned with the CE / FCC guys.

Testing does take two days, CE can be done with the CNC prototype, only for FCC the final unit is needed (by american law).

However, as the final case won''t change any of the stuff we need to test to pass, we can be sure that FCC will be fine when we have the CE, so as soon as the final unit is out, it needs about a week after testing to receive the licensing. So US guys might get the unit a bit later, but that''s the american law.

So, this issue doesn''t hold up the CE Testing

[Phawx]

Thank you, ED.

[emcp]

Just phoned with the CE / FCC guys.

Testing does take two days, CE can be done with the CNC prototype, only for FCC the final unit is needed (by american law).

However, as the final case won''''t change any of the stuff we need to test to pass, we can be sure that FCC will be fine when we have the CE, so as soon as the final unit is out, it needs about a week after testing to receive the licensing. So US guys might get the unit a bit later, but that''''s the american law.

So, this issue doesn''''t hold up the CE Testing \:\)

hahahahahahhahahahaha YES

so glad we get a leg up over the americans for once, sorry guys lololololol

[RajTakhar]

Great post ED

Hopefully this will now make everyone a bit more cheerful

[HackModford]

Sigh in relief I love evil dragon, he seems to give the clearest replies.

I think Chip is getting frustrated with all the pressure, Let''s give him a big hug

We don''t want an update, I think what we want is consistent updates, even if they''re is no updates, just so we know that you guys are there and care

Something like...
=============================
No updates today, sorry.
----------------------------------------------------
Small problem with CNC case, we noticed how this one prong sticking up pushed against the CPU and caused the case to bulge slightly. We are currently trying to have this fixed. Sholdn''t delay us.
==============================

Just because it seems inconsequential doesn''t mean it''s so. We love hearing useless updates like, I dropped coke on my devboard and now we''re going to be delayed for a year

I''m happy

[Patrick R Ludvigsen]

fack

oh well i''m moving in a few years anyway

[Phawx]

Just phoned with the CE / FCC guys.

Testing does take two days, CE can be done with the CNC prototype, only for FCC the final unit is needed (by american law).

However, as the final case won''''''''t change any of the stuff we need to test to pass, we can be sure that FCC will be fine when we have the CE, so as soon as the final unit is out, it needs about a week after testing to receive the licensing. So US guys might get the unit a bit later, but that''''''''s the american law.

So, this issue doesn''''''''t hold up the CE Testing \:\)

hahahahahahhahahahaha YES

so glad we get a leg up over the americans for once, sorry guys lololololol \:D

You won this round.

[Asmo]

Now, about that Keymat.............