GPH overplayed emulator card probably that in their Korean official website, people started to complain. In fact, GP2x won't come with ANY emulators. The situation will be similar to GP32, except GPH made it sound like you will be able to start emulating right off the bat, whereas the real situation is that you have to wait til homebrew emulators to show up. Recently, GPH denied any direct involvement in emulator developments that made quite a few people upset in that website.

cant say that im supprised, when it was mentioned though a load of people just told me that emulators are legal and shut up as GPH have nothing to worry about......

you're talking crap.... Many developers including reesy and squidge have devkits and are developing for them right now.

I don't understand why you thought that the thing would have emulators included? Did the GP32 come with emulators?

Well I have a dev kit but I don't have a windows compiler as there are only linux compilers currently.

This is a hilarious thread. I mean to think ANYONE would think that GPH had anything to do with the emulators is just flat out ridiculous. They weren't going to ship the thing with emulators to begin with, they;re just clarifying that fact that so many people never seemed to understand from the beginning.

It was never going to come with them, all the ones they were talking about were the ones WE are talking about on these very forums, They can have NO direct involvment with the creation or distribution of any emmulator without a licence which they mentioned they might try but was ultimately going to be too expensive for them anyway.

All gp32 owners know better (or should know better) that the gp2x will not have emulators included on the package. If it is included I would be very very surprised.

I suppose its almost our responsiblity to educate the non gp32 owners of what they can expect when purchasing the gp2x. thats my 2 cents.

I think the point is that it is all very well for a bunch of clued-up people (particularly those who already have a GP32) to know the score. However that marketing stuff I remember reading did seem to imply that you could just run all this stuff straight out of the box which is a little cheeky.

How successful do you want this thing to be?? because if it is quite -> very successful you will see a lot more newbies on forums like this asking questions that may annoy but they have a perfect right to.

If it becomes a commodity (a handy little media and game player) rather that a hobbiest thing then it should basically do the stuff advertised straight out of the box IMHO.

Before I get flamed I should point out that I knew what I was getting in a GP32 but imagine if was on the shelves at christmas like the GBA to be brought for peoples kids or teenagers (most would end up in the back of a cupboard unused, due to lack of knowledge and initial dissapointment).

Read my previous post. In the grown up world of marketing that is GPH mistake NOT the average ANYONE.

I am sure that some at GPH who is looking at this from a business point of view doesn't think it is hilarious.

Or oh how 1337 we are not to fall for that mistake

It's not the issue of being a newbie, it should be common sense that no one includes and emulator without licencing fees which frankly makes emulators make no sense. Magic Engine is the most stupid thing I've ever seen, paying 30 bucks for an enulator? I'm sorry, no. Yes it plays pretty much everything perfectly but I'll be damned before I pay for it. But the reason why they make you pay for it is because they actually got a licence from NEC.

It dosent matter what platform it is you can't expect anyone to sell their system WITH emulators and not expect a lawsuit yet I counted a half dozen threads in the GPH suggestion forum asking them what emulators they will have availible dispite there being atleast half as many threads telling people they were never the ones responsible for them!

If you get emulators with the system it's only because the distrubuters like Craigix tossed them in the box before they sent it to you.

Goity,

If you think anybody working on the GP2X now is doing so in any kind of 'official' capacity for GPH you are sadly mistaken.

GPH provided some review units in Korea and outside that have ended up in some devs hands and Craigix (owner of GBAX) has been passing some units out to devs but these have been passed out on a 'no strings' basis (largely based on GP32 contributions in the past) and people are working on this for free and without any kind of ties to GPH or GBAX but rather they are doing it ‘for the hell of it’.

The GP2X will ship as a 'Personal Entertainment Player' with support for a wide range of media formats etc. etc. but if you want any extra goodies to use with your new toy the downloading what the community releases is just what you will be doing a-la GP32.



, still working on that Reesy, there is always my CygWin tool-chain.

Their advertisement in Korea definitely implied that. Now they're saying GP2x is PEP with gaming 'capabilities'. Who cares about PEP aspect of it; it's just a bonus feature, any way. Doesn't it sound like some other handheld console released recently?

Not sure why people tend to think that paying for an emulator is a no-no.

hmmm i don't remember having heard GPH telling about emulators themselves,

LIK-SANG did, by saying that CD full of emus would be provided, and that surprised me
but gph ....

The PSP is advertised as playing movies, but it doesn't come with any.

Look, if GPH really did include emulators then Nintendo et al would do everything posible to try and shut them down (legal or not). It's just not worth the risk -- and besides, by the time you get the unit there will probably be new versions of the emulators anyway

Why should I have to pay for something being given away for free else where? would you buy a Bike form one place when another place is offering perfectly good bikes right next door?

Lik Sang is partly confused. GPH never said the disk would feature emulators they only said applications and (I think) Games, likely small simple ones developed inhouse. Emulators is just an assumption someone made and other people built on that.

Granted I do argee there's a lot of misreported information and GPH isnt doing a whole lot to fix that when they put things like or right there on their own site. I dont have a problem with them saying "it plays emulators!" as long as they explain where those come from so we can avoid threads like this one.

Also the original plan WAS for this to be mainly a PMP with gaming capabilities. It's easier to sell in Korea as a PMP that way than the other way around.

Put a GBA emulator with a console and you can guarantee people will say it's encouraging piracy, as you obviously can't use the original cartridges, so have to use downloaded roms; and downloading roms for a system that is still making money for it's creator is bad, mmkay?

Imho too many people are viewing the GP2x by prism of the GP32. It's only me thinking that GP2x is a pretty attractive on its other merits? I can imagine someone who will buy the GP2x for a media playing alone.

I have a friend who's buying it just to read e-books on. That's it. If it does other things, great, but as long as that works he's a happy customer. My girlfriend said the same thing, but she doesn't have the money to pick one up of her own.

Ravnos, that's.... very strange. I can't really imagine that.

That said, I imagine ebooks will be used as much as anything else by myself, especially since there's already a PDF reader working... Having the Risus Companion and Pokethulhu around anywhere is nice. That with reading for pleasure and school makes that a valid use, though I can still hardly imagine buying it <em>just</em> for that.

I'll probably be reading a lot of ebooks on it, too. I can't bring any devices to work that are capable of connecting to the internet, so it will be the only way for me to read my collection of ebooks and provide me with something to do during the times when I don't have any calls. I'm mainly getting it to spur me to program, though.

The emulator where on the site from the first moment.
In the feature list they where around position 3 and I do not remember of any commercial games, named in the same list.
GPH has made a banner of shipping an emulator machine from the first second, because they knew that would Hype it to the skylimit.
I agree that would mean them shutting down after thirty seconds, but the point is that they made believe something and the taking it back, that is a fact.
I do not have a problem with that. By the time the GP2X will hit the shelves there will be at least the NeoGeo Cd ready and maybe some other porting in the near future.
Relax guys, it is our daily GP32 life that starts all over again. Am I I the only one finding it Fantastic?

i do cause that was the only reason i wasnt gonna get a gp2x on launch cause of the lack of software for it (but all of the games being deved fo it all sound cool)


and the thing about emulators should be like this...GPH arent making them or distributing them but they are incouriging them...and the last time i checked thats not a crime....jus because it says it can play emus dosent mean it comes with them (even tho thats already been covered)

but i still dont get why emulators are illegal because most emus are for old consoles that companies like nintendo and sega dont even make a prophet out of (i say that out of common sense and that i havent heard of ninendo still hyping the nes hardware and game sales)

Emulators aren't illegal if you own the system. If the system is made from standard parts, the emulator isn't illegal even if you don't own the system.

Roms are the part that can be illegal, they don't include or talk about roms, of course.

Also theres some legal crap where even if they don't make a profit they figure they're losing "potential profit/audience" by piracy...its mind boggling.

not only roms but also firmwares and bioses, and these things are under copyright too so that makes some emus unuseable legally (playstation , megaCD and 32x, neogeo, etc .. )

but the laws are different in every countries, in france for example, you have to right to own roms, and you have the right to use them if you own the original and if you use only one at once ; but it's forbidden to download them on internet!

and i think rom copiers are also forbidden by the way


so that's all a big bunch of hypocrisy, some games company think "if they play our games, they should pay them", even if these games are not exploitation anymore, they don't like seeing them used for free
but peoples think "if i have to pay, i'll not play:p" (and it's a quite legitimate reaction since many of us have already paid some games more than once )


so we can't go anywhere with this until the game maker die or whatever

I payed for magic engine, years ago. It's by far the best PCE emu out there as you admit by your comment. Why is it not worth paying for? I couldn't give a shit if its got an NEC licence behind it or not, its just so good its worth buying.

This whole "emulators should be free because we all steal the roms we play on them" argument is so old. If a programmer is talented enough to write a program that I don't want to do without; I am willing to pay for it, end of story.

It's people with that attitude that killed no$gmb (another emu I payed for). Jeeze I was fucked off when he stopped releasing that cos of lamers spreading the keyfile.

/rant

smygb was better

Nes classics for gameboy advance...
Sonic Mega collection- various platforms
Revolution downloads....
etc.
etc.

Say, if you could download SNES roms legally from Ninty's site, how much would you be willing to pay?

£1.50 at the max. though personally I think points would work well. I like that they are doing this with the revvo.

Depends on the rom, if it was a good game i'd pay a couple of quid, if it was ok £1 and if it was crap I wouldn't buy it.

Of course if they did that they would need to produce and give away a SNES emu that ran everything perfectly, it would be the only emu that could play thier roms but it should be able to play non encrypted ones too. Kinda iTunes for SNES Roms.

The way you put it as the iTunes of SNES roms makes me think it could work, but then knowing that roms are a much higher level then mp3's I highly dought many people would buy them. Heck if I can have this perfect emu and play all the games I want for free.... its just hard to see.

In case you've been in a cave for the last year, thats kinda what the revolution is all about

Well, it's one string in the Rev's bow - at least. I think the controller is what it's mostly about: the backwards compatability is just extra niftiness

Yeah the controller is very cool!

What is quid? Is it 1 pound?

Yes.

the rev controler is cool but isnt the whole rev concept itself?

Saying 50 quid is like saying 50 bucks here in North america.

When they say quid, they mean pounds
When we say bucks, we mean dollars, not deer.