OK, Ed was sent this link and passed it to me and, well, you kind of have to read it to believe it.

It all starts here (as far as we know):

http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/32623.html

Where he allegedly claims he invented the GP32 / GP2x and all the publicity and it was stolen from him.

He then follows this up with a few more posts, the best one being this:

http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/37176.html

And more on his blog here: http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

He even allegedly claims I stole all the stuff on the UK site from him.

I've never met or heard of this guy until today.

Maybe there are just one or two little errors in his claims take a look.

See here Craig.

If you like I can try to get you in touch with the person I spoke with.

Edit: I actually don't know what UK site he is referring to since he calls it a pirate site.

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We must be a little out of the loop this week, too much work on payback + new semi-secret stuff

lol? oO

Holy moses..is he suing for the basic idea of a pmp? Send him to endgadget.com and have him find 12356 more 'targets'. No question that he will find more 'copyrighted' ideas. I would like to know what exact text he is refering to..by the way he speaks it seems to be most everything on most of the gpxx based sites..which seemingly is the goal of many many pmp's.

Does he have a patent or something? I want to know how specific his ideas really were that he could target craig, evildragon, gph, gamepark etc. Also, was this the reason we don't have gp32z.com anymore?

So many questions.

Oh ya, this guy is a dickbag.

wow it all makes sense.......

um,

to let you into a small secret.
i invented the wheel... but it was stole off my website

His latest threat:

'If the people involved want to contact me before the end of the week, we are willing to work out a license deal. If not, we'll go forward.'

You must be terribly scared

Hm. I didn't know I got any copyrighted material from GPH.
To be honest, I don't remember getting ANYTHING from GPH, that's why I built the German site myself from scratch.

AFAIR it took craig and me a LOOONG time of getting any detailed informations from GPH.
Not the case anymore, thank goodness

lol... I actually told my dad about this guy today. We were sitting in a cafe in Hannover and drinking a beer or two, and I explained the phenomenon of fanboism and people looking for attention with false sueing claims or "I made an xbox emulator" claims. I thought it was interesting for him since he is a psychotherapist. I also told him about this guy and he says it sounds like the guy suffers from a typical case of paranoid neurosis. He had to deal with something like 3 cases already of people who had some screws loose and really sued companies because they believed they had the rights to some patent. The problem is, he says, that they are mostly not so far off that attorneys will actually take over cases like that!!! I think we will hear a lot from this guy in the future... probably it will end in a lot of work because this idiot will file lawsuits that have to be payed attention to by all people involved but he will never ever succeed...

I invented the GP2x and so did my wife!

I think that his son stole the money & spent it on crack whore's

Well I gave him my opinion on what he has written

Arrr i invented the wii but they stole it!!111

Wibble, wibble, , the guy's an attention seeking fruitcake.

lol, so did I. But it seems he censors the comments (he needs to aprove them maybe) since mine didn`t appear. Probably due to the high count of swear words and random insults. Also, I told him, he may proceed to sue me aswell at his liking, I provided my name on the board so he can contact me by sending a PM for further legal babble... gaga?

Hilarious.

I think this guy stole the plans from ME! So that is what he did with them! I originally got them from an alien from a galaxy far, far, away.

Agreed. Here's the best bit, IMO:



.. he's stealing our oxygen.

lol, that is just great... this guy simply has a few screws loose. I don`t think we should take it seriously. Infact, I believe the whole blog should be copied and lol`ed but he will probably sue us because we stole his copyrighted intellectual property... hahahaha.

Ok, I bit the fruitcake's BLOG's, I fancy getting a word on so what the hell . Not read the other threads about it here on GP32x so I apologise if I am repeating stuff.



Not met that many of the suppliers and foaks in the GP2X/GP32 scenes then .

Reading those BLOG’s is interesting and I guess this is not the forum to pick holes in it all (ok, maybe it is) but I think there are more then a few bits that are a little insulting to a lot of people in both GP/GPH, suppliers and the community. GPH are far from perfect but his claims just don't even fit a basic timeline let alone stand up to publicly available counter evidence (admittedly circumstantial but a lot of that could be pulled together if needed).

Considering the GP32 was largely open through a series of GamePark sized mistakes and misunderstandings in the English<>Korean department long before 2004 (Let alone the December 2004 date those BLOG’s is so keen on) it makes it very easy to somewhat disprove claims and prove that just about anything GPH came up with could be the result of following publicly visible trends in there market and non tainted by an NDA. I wonder how well backed this guy thinks he is?



Considering my mid 2003 the UK community was large enough to sustain meet-ups, major European distributors where being courted (partly on the community ticket) and the GP32 was supporting a large open source community that GamePark where fully aware of. I find any claims about setting the companies (GP or GPH's) direction a little odd. Hell things we going well for the community stuff using GameParks own SDK well before 2003.

I remember distinctly talking to the then unified GP back then in 2003 about the GP32 console, open source and some of there worries and concerns and having very similar chats to some of the suppliers. GP(H) knew what they wanted to do with the GP2X/XGP long before they did it, the rift was over the ‘how’. GPH took the approach of doing it as cost efficiently as possible using off the shelf parts (why else do you think the GP2X is so close to the MMSP2 reference kit).
GP are going about it a different way but both are firmly going for the overseas ‘homebrew’ ticket that was getting GP32's out the door long before this person visited this mysterious 3rd unnamed company in Korea that is tied to GP(H).

I suspect that he really did present plans to this 3rd Korean firm and maybe an employee did jump to GP(H) but by that point the wheels would have been very much in motion. He also never states (rather skirts around it) that GP ever signed the NDA rather stating



I am not sure quite what legal circles this person moves in but with NDA’s it tends to be no pen mark no show, end of story. If GP did not sign the NDA then this is opportunistic mockery/madness and even with an NDA you would have to demonstrate that it was a valid trade secret I guess that GP(H) ‘stole’ and not an unenforceable collection of ideas that GP(H) already possessed though simple study of there own business and market.

Unless there are additional facts that we don’t know then it is just good for a giggle and comment and if there are then the bloke is a fool for airing it all in a public place and not getting good advice on how to persue the matter.

Talk about tainting your stance .

does anybody have a clue what copyright he is claiming to have been breached? He seems to go on a lot about how his idea is so different than GP/GPH :s

What marketing plans??? GP2X marketing that I know of is a few magazine ads, some banners, a couple web sites, but mostly word of mouth and gp32 reputation. I hate to say it, but the marketing isn't exactly something to be proud of in any event, and it's certainly NOT what made it a commercial success. This guy must know some good crack dealers.

Lol, Gamepark never did any marketing at all, that I know of. It was all done by distributors.

Did his design include a D-Pad?

(ducks for cover)

Funnily enough, he claims that GP(H) stole... well, nothing at all, actually.

Some of you are being incredibly immature.. but whatever.

Subcan959, What did he say to you?

Thinking of GPH last year, the only thing they probably STOLE was the crappy stick cap.
Wait, maybe he invented the TFT Scanlines?
Or the falling-out headphone jacks?

That's the true reason for the MK2! GPH didn't want to make the unit better, they simply wanted to get rid of copyright infringements! Muaahahaaa

Er... he's just admitted he didn't (and still doesn't) have a patent on the device. It's been rejected twice!

He talks about his business plan -- is it even possible to copyright a business plan? I fail to see how the business plan of a California-based family company with a WINE handheld would be at all useful to a Korean PMP company releasing a successor to a previous successful device???

Well, I don't know the guy with the blog and have never spoken to him. As I said in the other thread, I had a conversation with a different person and it turned out he was a business partner. He asked me not to divulge any details so I simply pointed the community to the blog as I thought it would be an interesting topic for discussion (silly me I didn't realise there were people here that wouldn't think twice about publicly humiliating a disabled guy and his son).

And he is quite irresponsible, as he admits spending his son's college funds (and his health) on developing this.

Why does he have a public blog in the first place, if not to attract coments from strangers? Besides, I don't see anyone here poking fun of his handicap (I didn't even know he was disabled) Besides² ... wasn't it YOU that started this mob scene in the first place?



^ Taken from this topic: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=31673 Real subtle clues BTW ... firestarter.

from wikipedia:

"Copyright law covers only the particular form or manner in which ideas or information have been manifested, the "form of material expression". It is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied in or represented by the copyright work. Copyright law provides scope for satirical or interpretive works which themselves may be copyrighted. See idea-expression divide.

For example, the copyright which subsists in relation to a Mickey Mouse cartoon prohibits unauthorized parties from distributing copies of the cartoon or creating derivative works which copy or mimic Disney's particular anthropomorphic mouse, but does not prohibit the creation of artistic works about anthropomorphic mice in general, so long as they are sufficiently different to not be imitative of the original. Other laws may impose legal restrictions on reproduction or use where copyright does not - such as trademarks and patents." - For which he has no patent

never mind loling over someone so blatently retarded that his blog makes him out to be the sorry mutant cousin of jack thompson. shit!

There was nothing inflammatory in that post! I worded that like that cause I was a bit ticked off at having some juicy gossip but not being able to share it.

Dont get yourself into a sticky situation

This kind of reminds me of all those Pirate Bay legal threats. It won't amount to anything. I would be more concerned with Nintendo when they launch the Wii and go after all the rom distributors and emulator authors, probably including here

... and look what your playful teasing caused.

What did you expect to happen by 'leaking' this information, exactly?

Mature discussion is what I meant.. perhaps asking too much?

I don't see how you could discuss this maturely for long. It's a joke, he has very little to base an argument on let alone a suit. Funny man

I'm not saying I don't think any of it is ridiculous, I just wouldn't stoop to insulting the guy and his kid.

I'm madaussie if anyone is wondering I asked him some specific questions which he never responed in his blog to.

from inference, he has patents (I dont think anything has been granted). His biggest claim seems to be that his business plan was stolen. He never did quite say _exactly_ what his device was, but tt reads like its mostly a PMP rather than games machine and it sounds like he is targeting the XGP.. but again he is very vague but timeline suggests and features suggest its XGP.

I cant quite map the whole business plan failed PMP design anger. He asserts they stole loads of stuff... xgp + gp2x are just continuations of gp32 design.. nothing radical there.. there are loads of failed game units and pmp players.

there has to be more behind it, since it doesnt really stack up to me.

I'll still assert there is lots 'wrong' and 'off' in his post, but he never eally answered any of my probes or questions about gp32z etc.

I'm also not sure under what pretext he thinks he is going to sue resellers either...

According to what GPH told me, the reason gp32z.com closed down was NOT because of stuff like this but because of lack of time an other private life issues.

I heard that as well, but from David himself.

Sometimes maybe ridicule is the only way out. I don't know much anything about the psychology of these kind of cases, but usually these kinds of delusions brood in silence until the victim is completely enwrapped in his own idea of who did what to him and how unfairly he has been treated. Maybe putting the idea up on the blog and having it laughed off as ridiculous might help sow some kind of doubt as to whether this really happened this way or not. Y'know, reality check, before reality recedes beyond the horizon.

I don't really know, otherwise, how you could maturely discuss this. "Some company I won't tell which it is (but it is connected to either GP, GPH or Samsung. Maybe.) stole something from me which I wont tell what it is, at a time I cant quite specify, and so I'll sue several as yet unmentioned companies with connections with the thieves that I wont elaborate upon, for unspecified damages unless they come forward to an unknown place to do unmentionable things to compensate some unknown party". Not much very solid facts there to discuss, is there?

Come to think of it. it does sound very much like the SCO business...

nothing wrong with some teasing, the internet has little tollerance for idiots and it doesn't discriminate based on disability, sex, etc

if you have a legal problem with someone, you don't threaten them. you file a lawsuit, get a court date, they'll be served papers, etc. his approach is either woefully inexperienced or immature.

thanks for the info, I was unaware. cheers!

subcon959: The things this 'investor' told you, were they anything exciting?

I can tell you now the claims he makes about me are lies. Based on that I don't think i'm going to believe his other contradicting ramblings.