NzoMatrix
Oct 5 2007, 11:02 PM
Supposed to be the same as the V2000 someone posted earlier. But with more of a gaming design.
http://www.mp4nation.com/products/index.php?PID=J301FEATURES:
* Processor: ADI Blackfin 533 - 600MHz
* Screen: 3.0" LTPS TFT, capable of displaying 16 million colors with a aspect ratio of 4:3
* Supported Audio Codecs: MP3, WMA (32K ~ 320Kbps), APE, FLAC
* Supported Video Codecs: RM/RMVB, AVI (XVid), FLV, MPG, MPEG, DAT
* Equalizer: BBE, SRS, 10 Custom EQ and 7 Pre-set EQ
* Frequency Response: 20HZ~20KHZ , 0dB± 3dB
* FM Frequency reception: 87.5MHz ~ 108MHz
* Games: NES, SNES, Sega Mega Drive, Game Boy Classic, Game Boy Advanced and Neo Geo Emulator
* File Viewing: GIF, BMP, JPG, TXT
* Lyrics: LRC
* Voice Recording: (WAV) Sampling Rate: 8kHz-320kHz
* Input and Output: 5PIN USB, Dual 3.5mm stereo earphone output.
* Language Support: Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, English
* Battery: 1000mAH
* Playtime: 15hrs audio, 5-6hrs video.
* Expansion Slot: SD slot capable of supporting up to 4GB
* Flash Memory Capacity: 2GB
* Interface: USB 2.0 HI-SPEED
* Built in loud speaker
* Easy to use Graphical User Interface
* USB Storage Function
* Firmware Upgradable
Pics here
http://www.mp4nation.com/forum/viewtopic.p...sc&start=30SDK?
http://www.analog.com/processors/platforms/sdk.htmlYoutube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRv7oJWTzS0Supposed to emulate
NES/SNES/SMD/SMS/GB/GBA
Shifty
Oct 6 2007, 11:38 PM
:O
Nova
Oct 7 2007, 12:27 AM
That looks rather swish.
icurafu
Oct 7 2007, 12:39 AM
Even if the SoC maker releases the SDK, you can't do anything unless the PMP allows executables.
NoidZ
Oct 7 2007, 05:45 PM
I think I should get one for free
Shifty
Oct 10 2007, 01:25 AM
From the specs posted above, can someone please help me out and figure out if the JXD 301 is more powerful than a gp2x?
icurafu
Oct 10 2007, 01:52 AM
I don't think it is.
It may be 600Mhz, but I've never heard anything good about them. The SDK shows very basic components.
These devices usally rely on chips to exelerate movies, music and such.
Each game would also just have their own chip. So it'll be great for these few games, even with the limitations of the software. (no saving?)
quartercast
Oct 10 2007, 04:08 AM
QUOTE(icurafu @ Oct 10 2007, 11:52 AM)

I don't think it is.
It may be 600Mhz, but I've never heard anything good about them. The SDK shows very basic components.
These devices usally rely on chips to exelerate movies, music and such.
Each game would also just have their own chip. So it'll be great for these few games, even with the limitations of the software. (no saving?)
I just ordered one from mp4nation, hopefully I'll have time to do a little review when I receive it! I thought it does to savegames... I think the mp4nation review says so.
icurafu
Oct 10 2007, 05:33 AM
A review would be appriciated.
I've never heard of a chip/hardware emulator that allows saving.
Maybe they are software emulators.
darkman
Oct 13 2007, 09:13 AM
After seeing the You Tube review on this I had to order one. I just did over ebay and now for the long wait for item to be delivered. (sits and looks at watch

)
Nova
Oct 13 2007, 11:55 AM
I'd get one, but I like to have album art with my music...
I know, I'm fussy.
Firefox
Oct 23 2007, 02:43 PM
Is there an SDK (a proper one, not a Blackfin compiler) or technical documentation for this? It'd be a nice gizmo to do some coding on.
rlyeh
Oct 23 2007, 03:09 PM
i think im getting one.
600 mhz + 320x240 3" in an awesomely bright TFT + 2 gb + SD support + probably 32mb or 64 mb RAM (as it load Neogeo roms) + 90 eur VAT and shipping included = bargain
seems like a horsepowered GP32 to me... no OS at background and just a framebuffer and audio... :)
i've downloaded a SDK to see the inners... and to see if we can port things to it :-)
if we're not able to run binaries from its firmware, then we should considering hacking its updateable firmware as a posibility :-)
even if we can't haxx0r it and get any fun of it it would worth the money as a PMP.
that's my point for a nice xmas toy
gavie
Oct 23 2007, 04:18 PM
If it could actually emulate all the stuff they say it does, I was sold, but I heard the GBA emulator is crap...
Yuan
Oct 24 2007, 07:41 AM
Looks sleek and nice. The screen looks excellent.
The SNES emulator is resized without any filter, and might not look that nice in action, I assume the same happens with NES.
Sigh... separate buttons for direction, goofy button layout... ONE good quality speaker...
You know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to fix these little quirks, just a GOOD GAMER, that's all it takes, a couple of good players testing the protos and saying something like "nope, I can't do cancels in kof" or "I can't get the deadly rave move".
If I can, I'll get one if only for the curiosity. I hope someone here gets one soon to see it properly dissected
norm
Oct 24 2007, 05:11 PM
me likes, i may have to buy one
paxl13
Oct 25 2007, 01:46 AM
Looks good,
I Might buy one if somone found it's hackable

Looks nice and slick

paxl13
quartercast
Oct 26 2007, 07:36 AM
QUOTE(Yuan @ Oct 24 2007, 05:41 PM)

Looks sleek and nice. The screen looks excellent.
The SNES emulator is resized without any filter, and might not look that nice in action, I assume the same happens with NES.
Sigh... separate buttons for direction, goofy button layout... ONE good quality speaker...
You know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to fix these little quirks, just a GOOD GAMER, that's all it takes, a couple of good players testing the protos and saying something like "nope, I can't do cancels in kof" or "I can't get the deadly rave move".
If I can, I'll get one if only for the curiosity. I hope someone here gets one soon to see it properly dissected

Looking at all the other apparent mp4/snes/nes/md players, I think the JXD301 is a great step in the right direction. The others (Ainol V2000, PMP) have really shit button placement or practically no buttons at all. This is the first mp4-oriented device with decent processing power, screen, emus and buttons. *squawk*
Mine shipped a few days ago.. still waiting for it
flammablepiss
Oct 26 2007, 11:54 AM
Browsing the net the other day and i came across a console called the JxD301 (LTPS) it boasts about Nes, Snes, Sega emulation etc and 2gb storage. Does anyone else no about this console or if its any good. I will post a link later ...
rygar
Oct 26 2007, 11:59 AM
earx
Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM
saw it, it looks damn impressive for that amount of money.. the blackfin processor sports some really heavy performance, although such a RISC/DSP architecture takes time to optimise. but still 533 MHz + SRAM, you can't go wrong even with a stupid compiler. no wonder it can do decent SNES emulation.. if it has (decent) 3d hardware i strongly doubt. the exterior looks really damn fine, btw.
but it lacks one thing: a community. so i probably won't get one of these (until it does get some hackers devving for it)
flammablepiss
Oct 26 2007, 02:14 PM
thanks !
gavie
Oct 26 2007, 04:44 PM
QUOTE(rygar @ Oct 26 2007, 11:59 AM)

AND
http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=38785Seriously people, 3 topics is a bit too much
Samba Pa Ti
Oct 26 2007, 06:35 PM
QUOTE(gavie @ Oct 26 2007, 05:44 PM)

QUOTE(rygar @ Oct 26 2007, 11:59 AM)

AND
http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=38785Seriously people, 3 topics is a bit too much

3 in the wrong section....
this is general GP2X talk not other shitty consoles...
flammablepiss
Oct 26 2007, 07:52 PM
yeh i did think about that after i posted. My bad. .
reaper79
Oct 27 2007, 12:39 AM
QUOTE(earx @ Oct 26 2007, 10:00 AM)

but it lacks one thing: a community. so i probably won't get one of these (until it does get some hackers devving for it)
Well, here is a thread started by rlyeh over at mp4nation
Clicky-click
darkman
Oct 27 2007, 12:42 AM
I got my 301 yesterday and I have been spending a lot of time with it and will be this weekend. SuSE 10.0 could not pick it up, so I had to drag out my thinkpad from the closet that is running XP. XP said it didn't know what it was but it was still allowing me to load things on to it. Since then I have found that the cut and paste feature (in the JXD filmware) will allow you to move them around to where you want after you have loaded things onto your SD card with a card reader. So now I don't need my thinkpad, back into the closet it goes. No more windows.
I have been going through a learning curve with the directional button. (In my mind I can already hear complains concerning the F-200) The other buttons are configurable.
I have been a little frustrated with the emulators. I HAVE BEEN SPOILED WITH THE GP2X!! I so much desire some options so that I can tweak them for individual games. It seems that some of the SNES games run a little too fast and some, like Starfox, are somewhat sluggish. Others are running great! Sound is not right, not as good as the pocket SNES is for the GP2X. But these emulators are like other emulators, they need a compatible rom dump. The Genesis emulator needs a lot of work. There is really no excuse for it to be this way. Sound is turned off by default and for good reason, any type of action makes the game choppy when the sound is activated. The RPG games work the best on the Genesis with sound and any game that does not have fast action.
The Neo Geo emulator works good with sound. I have been trying to learn to play Samurai Shodown with the four button directional pad.
You have to go through a formula to push the start button. You push the system on button then quickly push the enter button to instigate start for, Genesis, SNES, and “insert coin” or start for the Neo Geo.
The NES emulator plays great. The MP3 sounds great and the extra headphone jack works great for sharing the sound with someone. (the only way that you will get stereo out of this one speaker system)
Because of the outward design of the casing there are finger prints all over mine and I keep trying to keep it clean. The screen is awesome and has very unreal viewing angles. I have never been able to look at a screen from the angles that this enables you too and still see a nice color picture on a portable. I like a lot of the features built into the filmware.(delete, cut and paste, save, load, etc) The SD card fits deep and tight, requiring you to push it a little deep in order to feel that “push back” to eject. Not easy!
The main emulators that I have been playing with is the NES, SNES, and Neo Geo.
The whole experience has been a bit plug and play as far as the gaming aspect. I have tried an “avi” file of a Batman Begins movie trailer. Because it was wide screen it only used up 50% of the display.
I like this little gadget, it is going to be right in there with my other portables. It makes a good little in your pocket portable NES, SNES. And if I can find some more of those funny Neo Geo files, a Neo Geo Portable.
As far as the hacking goes, I see r|yeh over at the MP4 nation taking an interest.
DaveC
Oct 27 2007, 03:13 AM
QUOTE(reaper79 @ Oct 27 2007, 12:39 AM)

QUOTE(earx @ Oct 26 2007, 10:00 AM)

but it lacks one thing: a community. so i probably won't get one of these (until it does get some hackers devving for it)
Well, here is a thread started by rlyeh over at mp4nation
Clicky-clickYeah I guess it looks like if we want to play Rlyeh's emus we will be doing it on a tiny screen and listening to them in mono sound, Bleh that kind of sucks
OMars
Oct 27 2007, 04:53 AM
QUOTE(reaper79 @ Oct 26 2007, 07:39 PM)

QUOTE(earx @ Oct 26 2007, 10:00 AM)

but it lacks one thing: a community. so i probably won't get one of these (until it does get some hackers devving for it)
Well, here is a thread started by rlyeh over at mp4nation
Clicky-clickAre you telling me that a random chinese company can make a system with a better screen than the gp2x and that is easier to make a custom firmware for than the gp2x? Wow.
I would get this if it had shoulder buttons, and maybe wifi...........and a touchscreen.......or if it completely rips off the idea of the craiginator, but that's just me.
zodttd
Oct 27 2007, 07:12 AM
I'm interested as well, though Rlyeh may be the guinea pig to test it out for us all. ;P
b_o_b
Oct 27 2007, 09:13 AM
Unbelievable amount of value for your money. I would buy it if I didn't have a mp3 player and a gp2x.
My GP2X has got some small issues and the Graiginator will take too long, so I think it will be the F200 for me (love the touchscreen).
This device looks great though, and will suit the purpose of many I guess.
Stealth Bagel
Oct 27 2007, 09:44 AM
QUOTE(OMars @ Oct 27 2007, 04:53 AM)

Are you telling me that a random chinese company can make a system with a better screen than the gp2x and that is easier to make a custom firmware for than the gp2x? Wow.
Well GPH is pretty incompetent overall so yes, just about any company could do a better job. But when did anyone say it was easy to develop custom firmware for? As far as I've heard it comes with firmware and some built in emulators, which will probably never be updated, there's no documentation and it's not meant to run unsigned code so you'd have to reverse engineer it. Who knows what OS it even runs, or if it's something entirely custom. There are hundreds of shitty MP4 players so the company will probably stop making it out of nowhere and refuse to provide any support except to use it out of the box as they intended.
argor
Oct 27 2007, 06:06 PM
can some mod move this thead to the other console forum
OMars
Oct 27 2007, 07:42 PM
QUOTE(Stealth Bagel @ Oct 27 2007, 04:44 AM)

QUOTE(OMars @ Oct 27 2007, 04:53 AM)

Are you telling me that a random chinese company can make a system with a better screen than the gp2x and that is easier to make a custom firmware for than the gp2x? Wow.
Well GPH is pretty incompetent overall so yes, just about any company could do a better job. But when did anyone say it was easy to develop custom firmware for? As far as I've heard it comes with firmware and some built in emulators, which will probably never be updated, there's no documentation and it's not meant to run unsigned code so you'd have to reverse engineer it. Who knows what OS it even runs, or if it's something entirely custom. There are hundreds of shitty MP4 players so the company will probably stop making it out of nowhere and refuse to provide any support except to use it out of the box as they intended.
You didn't read the thread from the link that was in the post I replied to, did you? People said that they could remove or edit the firmware, test things out, and it would not brick. That is so long as it is in "firmware mode". It also runs on a blackfin processor, which, I guess, has a port of linux for it. That's why ryleh, an avid programmer in this scene, was so interested in it. Plus, that company only seems to make a handful of mp4 players. And so what if they drop support for it. Just look at the gp2x.

I don't think that GPH helped very much in anything other than releasing the system and the firmware's source.
krosfyah
Oct 27 2007, 09:32 PM
QUOTE(DaveC @ Oct 27 2007, 04:13 AM)

Yeah I guess it looks like if we want to play Rlyeh's emus we will be doing it on a tiny screen and listening to them in mono sound, Bleh that kind of sucks

It's stereo through the headphone jack I think, plus the speakers on these sorts of handhelds aren't so hot anyway. I think the lack of buttons is a major drawback though, not necessarily shoulder buttons but just in general.
tim0391
Oct 27 2007, 10:17 PM
it looks like a really nice device and the power of the cpu

the only problems i can see is its got no shoulder buttons plus i doubt much hombre and apps for it will be made
darkman
Oct 28 2007, 12:18 AM
QUOTE(tim0391 @ Oct 27 2007, 05:17 PM)

it looks like a really nice device and the power of the cpu

the only problems i can see is its got no shoulder buttons plus i doubt much hombre and apps for it will be made
Plus using a start or select button on a SNES game or Neo Geo game is on a pull down menu. It takes some getting used to. I still find it a little frustrating and I have had mine for three days now.
zodttd
Oct 28 2007, 04:12 AM
How do you access the pull-down menu? I wonder, since I am interested in the JXD 301 but the lack of buttons is something of a concern even for GBA.
DaveC
Oct 28 2007, 05:56 AM
QUOTE(krosfyah @ Oct 27 2007, 09:32 PM)

QUOTE(DaveC @ Oct 27 2007, 04:13 AM)

Yeah I guess it looks like if we want to play Rlyeh's emus we will be doing it on a tiny screen and listening to them in mono sound, Bleh that kind of sucks

It's stereo through the headphone jack I think, plus the speakers on these sorts of handhelds aren't so hot anyway. I think the lack of buttons is a major drawback though, not necessarily shoulder buttons but just in general.
Well for me I just like to pull out a system and play it. That means not having to faff about with headphone wires and sticking things in my ears to hear stereo in games.
This thing looks like something for devs to dick around with because of the increased clock speed. As an end user this thing has way to many flaws for me to consider getting into it and making it "the de-facto handheld for emus" though. The main ones are the lack of 2 speakers, the lack of enough buttons to run many things, and the small screen. I looked at my DS with a 3" screen recently and thought to myself, man the screen is tiny. I consider the GP2X screen a bit small too actually, it is borderline. A 4" 4:3 screen would be the bomb but that isn't in the cards. I don't really get why people are going mental over this cheap Chinese flash in the pan trinket. I can't see devs wanting to invest alot of hours developing on this unit with its many crippling flaws. If anything I would think most would wait for the Craiginator to do their best work if they are tired of the GP2X.
darkman
Oct 28 2007, 08:07 AM
QUOTE(zodttd @ Oct 27 2007, 11:12 PM)

How do you access the pull-down menu? I wonder, since I am interested in the JXD 301 but the lack of buttons is something of a concern even for GBA.
By pushing the "power on" button. Just a push, not a hold. If you hold down the "power on" button it will go into the "301 off" mode and power down. You turn it on by holding it down until it begins to boot. Sort-of-like my laptops. In order to get into some SNES games you have to use your start button and maybe the select button a few times.
edit: On the same menu is the volume control, volume off/on, save, load, keyboard config, quit game, etc.
Orkie
Oct 28 2007, 09:09 AM
QUOTE(DaveC @ Oct 28 2007, 05:56 AM)

I can't see devs wanting to invest alot of hours developing on this unit with its many crippling flaws.
Well clearly you are wrong!
azurege
Oct 28 2007, 11:09 AM
I have been a user of the GP32 and the GP2x since day one, and while I really liked the GP32, the GP2x was a let down for me, it is physically to big and looks dated, has poor battery life, the controlls are just to awkward to use (I own the first model of 2x) and the screen looks washed out and dull, back in the GP32 days this was kinda acceptable but by todays standards it just isn't.
I have just bought a 301 because it looks like a step in the right direction for me, the screen is sharper and brighter, it physically looks like it belongs in the here and now, not the past, it has a powerfull CPU and the console has lots of useful features. Im not saying it doesn't have its faults, the lack of buttons will make SNES games awkward to play and while it only has 1 speaker It is said it is of good quality.
The biggest factor in buying one of these should be the interest it has sparked it some of the better devs. that have been instrumental in making the 32 and 2x a success.
Along with its price, I believe that the 301 is a great handheld console for retro emulation, at least untill the new project from Craig becomes a reallity.
I think it is unfortunate that the friendly people on these boards will just flame the new 301, I personally hope that any of the devs. that code for it will bring the experience they gain back to this community when the new machine from Craig comes out.
I may be wrong about all this, their might be problems adapting the firmware of the machine to boot homebrew binaries, but for £65.00 or so, i'm willing to give it a go and offer support to any devs. that climb onboard.
rlyeh
Oct 28 2007, 11:46 AM
My two pennies...
I can't remember how many times the word 'emulation' has been used negatively as the main cause about a Community and its Scene being lame. Specially with PSP, GP2X and GP32 handhelds.
By other side, you guys can't stop arguing about the lack of buttons for emulating other systems, say GBA or SNES. Bah who cares! Wouldn't you guys want real Scene? I'm not sure what you really want, but according to comments no-one can deny that emulation is the first thing we think for any handheld out there. In fact, I'd love people to do a lot of non-emulation related work, 'cos I'm quite tired about the "emulation kills scene" topic.
Considering the 301 deffiencies apart, the whole system is just a bargain for 90 eur! It's not a killer system for designing reasons, but let's get some fun hacking it and porting a few apps for god's love.
Just let's concentrate on this little beast while craiginator comes to a reality, and let's have a fun time in peace doing it. When craiginator gets launched, we'll probably go there as it is considered *the* system. None dev would resist to its specs.
And about GPH, I am certainly bored about them (much like happened to me with real GamePark). And I'm not the only one. The amount of changes in 2 years for the f200 is a little disappointing, but the current f800 specs are the biggest joke I've heard of (although let's wait for the rumor to consolidate first).
That's why I've installed the blackfin toolchain and its SDK in my HD, and that's why I've started compiling some code. And this does not mean I'm leaving the GP32/GP2X scene anyways, it's just that I'm expanding myself to other areas.
quartercast
Oct 28 2007, 12:33 PM
QUOTE(DaveC @ Oct 27 2007, 02:13 PM)

Yeah I guess it looks like if we want to play Rlyeh's emus we will be doing it on a tiny screen and listening to them in mono sound, Bleh that kind of sucks

I'd rather play on one good speaker than two shit ones.
Squidge
Oct 28 2007, 02:13 PM
I can't believe how cheap this thing is, I might have to buy a couple
OMars
Oct 28 2007, 03:19 PM
QUOTE(rlyeh @ Oct 28 2007, 06:46 AM)

My two pennies...
I can't remember how many times the word 'emulation' has been used negatively as the main cause about a Community and its Scene being lame. Specially with PSP, GP2X and GP32 handhelds.
By other side, you guys can't stop arguing about the lack of buttons for emulating other systems, say GBA or SNES. Bah who cares! Wouldn't you guys want real Scene? I'm not sure what you really want, but according to comments no-one can deny that emulation is the first thing we think for any handheld out there. In fact, I'd love people to do a lot of non-emulation related work, 'cos I'm quite tired about the "emulation kills scene" topic.
Considering the 301 deffiencies apart, the whole system is just a bargain for 90 eur! It's not a killer system for designing reasons, but let's get some fun hacking it and porting a few apps for god's love.
Just let's concentrate on this little beast while craiginator comes to a reality, and let's have a fun time in peace doing it. When craiginator gets launched, we'll probably go there as it is considered *the* system. None dev would resist to its specs.
And about GPH, I am certainly bored about them (much like happened to me with real GamePark). And I'm not the only one. The amount of changes in 2 years for the f200 is a little disappointing, but the current f800 specs are the biggest joke I've heard of (although let's wait for the rumor to consolidate first).
That's why I've installed the blackfin toolchain and its SDK in my HD, and that's why I've started compiling some code. And this does not mean I'm leaving the GP32/GP2X scene anyways, it's just that I'm expanding myself to other areas.
Have you gotten yours, ryleh? I saw a picture of it compared to a CD and it was the same width. That's crazy talk!
But anyway, good luck getting development started for this thing. I think it would be a nice little toy to carry around, a lot smaller than any of the current consoles, that's for sure.
Peter R
Oct 28 2007, 03:26 PM
All the best GP2x devs jumping ship! Now I will have to look into one
krosfyah
Oct 28 2007, 11:55 PM
I think people are a bit bored and want something new to play around with until the ubernator comes out.
rlyeh
Oct 29 2007, 02:11 AM
If you doubt about getting one, and you want things even more complicated, be sure to check both SmartQ T5 and BMP-900 PMPs in google.
Can anyone find the CPU and RAM for BMP-900? That BMP-900 with 64 Mb and BF533 cpu and I would be in heaven O:)
quartercast
Oct 29 2007, 12:04 PM
Yay, I just received my 301! After flicking through the menus and playing a few SNES roms, my first impressions are:
- What a sharp, bright and colourful screen!
- ...unfortunately let down by tiny, gummy little d-pad and control buttons
- annoyingly resets itself to chinese upon startup (grrrr!)
- what an amusing, cheap little gimmick, which...
- I'll definitely load with TV episodes to watch to/from work!!
Battletoads battlemaniacs, TMNT IV, FF6, and DK1 ran fine - although audio emulation isn't particularly accurate. Stunt Race FX loaded, with severe graphical glitches in-game (I'm surprised it loaded at all!). What little I tried of Super Mario Allstars worked fine, but with major glitches in the selection screen.
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