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Thord Johansson
Hello all,
I have recently received a lot of money (1533 SEK, that's $239 or £118) which allows me to buy the GP2X itself - but perhaps not the required SD card and the dock (if I need it, not sure yet though). Thinking about buying the F200 model. gp32.gif

My questions are:
1) Does the F200 support Flash?
2) Does it support 3D games like Quake and Doom?
3) Is the F200 better than the gaming version of GP2X? gp2xob3cq1.gif
4) Is there a painting application for GP2X (I mean now that you have a pen ...)
5) Are there any cons on the GP2X? (In reviews you use "cons" and "pros", often in the end.)

That's enough questions for now. I'd be very happy if someone could answer them! smile.gif

Oh, and if I put this topic wrong, please move it to where it should be.... rolleyes.gif
Esn
I'll just answer what I know:
QUOTE(Thord Johansson @ Dec 9 2007, 12:57 AM) *

2) Does it support 3D games like Quake and Doom?

Yes. Visit the GP2X file archive to see what kind of programs you can run, and the GP2X wiki for a more general overview.

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3) Is the F200 better than the gaming version of GP2X? gp2xob3cq1.gif

They're both "gaming versions". Most people so far are saying that yes, the F200 is better than the F100.

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4) Is there a painting application for GP2X (I mean now that you have a pen ...)

Yes, but it's nothing too fancy or official.

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5) Are there any cons on the GP2X? (In reviews you use "cons" and "pros", often in the end.)

Depends on what is a con for you. The battery life isn't all that long (but since it uses AA-size batteries, you can carry several of them on long journeys). You should only use NiMH rechargeable batteries, though (other kinds die too soon), so you'll have to buy those and a charger if you don't have that already.

As for the SD card, got $5? (see the option for first-time Google Checkout members)

No, you don't need the dock, that's just a nice extra.
imhotep
I agree with above post. Well written.
Thord Johansson
About the dock:
I want to connect my GP2X to the TV... that's when I need it, right?

EDIT: And Buy.com doesn't ship to Sweden. That's where I live.
EDIT2: And yes, well written post tongue.gif
Dr_Ian
There is a tv out cable which connects to the bottom of the gp2x.
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(Dr_Ian @ Dec 9 2007, 11:37 AM) *

There is a tv out cable which connects to the bottom of the gp2x.


And audio ? If I use that method, will I have to use the GP2X as a speaker?
xcen
No, the TV out cable has SVideo, and Stereo RCA for audio
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 10 2007, 02:25 AM) *

No, the TV out cable has SVideo, and Stereo RCA for audio


Could you, or someone else, take a photo of those output "jacks" and upload it? I would like to see where you can connect the TV out cable, and how it works. I have not purchased the unit yet, but I will do when I know what components I'll need to connect it to a TV.
Adventus
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Could you, or someone else, take a photo of those output "jacks" and upload it? I would like to see where you can connect the TV out cable, and how it works. I have not purchased the unit yet, but I will do when I know what components I'll need to connect it to a TV.
Heres the one play-asia.com is selling:
IPB Image
Red and White = Stereo RCA
Furthest Left Black = SVideo
Other Black = GP2X Interface
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(Adventus @ Dec 10 2007, 09:56 AM) *

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Could you, or someone else, take a photo of those output "jacks" and upload it? I would like to see where you can connect the TV out cable, and how it works. I have not purchased the unit yet, but I will do when I know what components I'll need to connect it to a TV.
Heres the one play-asia.com is selling:
IPB Image
Red and White = Stereo RCA
Furthest Left Black = SVideo
Other Black = GP2X Interface


Um .. yeah, thanks, I needed that too, but what I was asking for was the holes in which you put these cables. (On the GP2X's end of the cable.) But thank you, Adventus, for your help. I really needed that!
xnopasaranx
well you plug it into the lower side of your gp2x. It is an EXT connector. Take a look into the wiki. I think it contains photos and pin-outs.
xcen
I guess he means on his TV... just google image for "svideo connetor" and "rca connector"

but you should be able to guess from the picture here I suppose o_O
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 11 2007, 05:56 AM) *

I guess he means on his TV... just google image for "svideo connetor" and "rca connector"

but you should be able to guess from the picture here I suppose o_O


Well actually, I meant both ends (though I said I only meant the GP2X end of the cable):
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was asking for was the holes in which you put these cables. (On the GP2X's end of the cable.)
Adventus
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Um .. yeah, thanks, I needed that too, but what I was asking for was the holes in which you put these cables. (On the GP2X's end of the cable.) But thank you, Adventus, for your help. I really needed that!
Mmmmkay, I know i'm basically reiterating whats already been said but.... There is a single "hole" (as mentioned an EXT port) on the bottom of the GP2X. This port is very similar in dimesions and design to what you find on samsung mobile phones (approx. 16mm x 3 mm). I cant find any decent pictures of the actual EXT port, but you should be able to guess based on the above picture.

For technical information refer to the wiki: http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/EXT_Port
Thord Johansson
It looks like it's going to be a F-100 gp2xob3cq1.gif
Because I found a cheap one here in Sweden (on a trading website called Blocket.se).
But it's nearly the same, right? Except the touchscreen and perhaps lower performance.
Lurkio
QUOTE(Thord Johansson @ Dec 12 2007, 11:15 AM) *

But it's nearly the same, right? Except the touchscreen and perhaps lower performance.


Some differences:

Colour
F200 is louder
No difference in performance between the 2
Touchscreen which you've already mentioned
F100 has a joystick not a dpad
F200 has no USB netchip so no USB networking
F200 supports SDHC cards out of the box
Not all software has been updated yet to run on the F200

There are most likely a few more differences but they've slipped my mind at the moment. smile.gif
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(Lurkio @ Dec 12 2007, 12:40 PM) *

QUOTE(Thord Johansson @ Dec 12 2007, 11:15 AM) *

But it's nearly the same, right? Except the touchscreen and perhaps lower performance.


Some differences:

Colour
F200 is louder
No difference in performance between the 2
Touchscreen which you've already mentioned
F100 has a joystick not a dpad
F200 has no USB netchip so no USB networking
F200 supports SDHC cards out of the box
Not all software has been updated yet to run on the F200

There are most likely a few more differences but they've slipped my mind at the moment. smile.gif


Haha, thanks! I've needed that list! So basically the F100 is better than the F200? blink.gif laugh.gif
Lurkio
QUOTE(Thord Johansson @ Dec 12 2007, 12:35 PM) *

Haha, thanks! I've needed that list! So basically the F100 is better than the F200? blink.gif laugh.gif


That's GPH for you. wink.gif
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(Lurkio @ Dec 12 2007, 01:41 PM) *

QUOTE(Thord Johansson @ Dec 12 2007, 12:35 PM) *

Haha, thanks! I've needed that list! So basically the F100 is better than the F200? blink.gif laugh.gif


That's GPH for you. wink.gif


How do you mean now? Sorry for not getting it ... tongue.gif I am slow today.
xcen
He means that GPH has a history of poor releases and stupid decisions =P

The F100 is not exactly better than the F200, the F200 is just not as tested and documented, and it's been out for a very short time so the community didn't have time to fix GPH's mess (like we did for the F100s... not pretty launches, very similar to the situation now with the F200)

It also depends on your needs, if you don't do dev or linuxy stuff, you won't care about lack of USB networking...

I'd say more than 80% of the software archive works on the F200... touchscreen support has been added on test releases of SCUMMVM and I hear Exult as well... (seen a vid on youtube)

Touchscreen with these applications are more than a convenience, it's downright super awesome... then again if you just want to play NES games, you don't have much use for the touchscreen...

Also, the pseudo-analogue stick on the F100 is really not cool and can be hard to mod... the F200 DPad ain't that great, but it's still better than the stick.

Black is also better than white for people like me =P

you always have the option of waiting a few months, see how the community adapts to the F200 and such

I've had some disappointments with my F200 but I do not regret buying it!
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 12 2007, 03:07 PM) *

He means that GPH has a history of poor releases and stupid decisions =P

The F100 is not exactly better than the F200, the F200 is just not as tested and documented, and it's been out for a very short time so the community didn't have time to fix GPH's mess (like we did for the F100s... not pretty launches, very similar to the situation now with the F200)

It also depends on your needs, if you don't do dev or linuxy stuff, you won't care about lack of USB networking...

...snip...

I've had some disappointments with my F200 but I do not regret buying it!


What do you guys mean by USB Networking? Do you mean file transfer from PC to GP2X or do you mean like a LAN between the two? And is it the F100 or the F200 that doesn't have USB Networking?
Squidge
He means LAN. The F100 GP2X can sit on on a local network via USB, and you can use it as a web server/etc.

The F200 contains no such feature - the USB is strictly a sd card reader on this model.
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(Squidge @ Dec 12 2007, 03:40 PM) *

He means LAN. The F100 GP2X can sit on on a local network via USB, and you can use it as a web server/etc.

The F200 contains no such feature - the USB is strictly a sd card reader on this model.


But there is an SD card reader on the F100, right? (From what I've heard, the SD card works as a HDD.)
garzyboi
Yes there is an SD card reader but if you ever decide to pull apart your gp2x one day you will notice that in your F100 model there is a chip (netchip) that allows usb networking, very important for devs, telnet, etc. etc. and the ability to read an sd card...just not the SDHC cards.

The f200 replaced that chip with a busted card reader that can read SDHC cards...sigh...and so far the only way to dev is to utilize the crade...and that thing isn't cheap or the EXT port (I think). I just got may laptop back and I gotta completely renovate that thing now...well anyways...hope that sums up the issues about the SD card slot.
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(garzyboi @ Dec 12 2007, 04:18 PM) *

Yes there is an SD card reader but if you ever decide to pull apart your gp2x one day you will notice that in your F100 model there is a chip (netchip) that allows usb networking, very important for devs, telnet, etc. etc. and the ability to read an sd card...just not the SDHC cards.


What is a SDHC card, compared to a SD card?
I'm really, really sorry if the amount of questions bother you.. but I really need to know.
Barnaby
An SDHC Card is a different form of SD Card that allows for larger sizes of card, from 4GB+. There have been some fan made firmware upgrades, and they have worked pretty well for me, you should look around - I don't know if they are compatible with the F200 however, I doubt it though as this recently came out and I don't know if it already has this support built in or not.
Squidge
There's SD Card and SDHC (High Capacity) Card. Proper SDHC cards are clearly marked. Some bulk ones might look blank however, but you usually only get those from places like ebay.

The only difference between them is software, by default the F100 firmware can't read SDHC cards, but there is alternative firmware that can. I believe GPH put SDHC support into the F200 as standard.

wynodir
Hi. I'm new here and I'm thinking about buying the F200 and a cradle. If I understand this discussion correctly, I can connect the F200 to my network through one of the cradle's USB ports? Will existing network software for the F100 support this solution?
Dope Fish
The SDHC support on a F-200 is a sure thing?

Or this is just a presumption because of the netchip? I'm asking because I want to buy a SDHC and I'm not sure if this card will really work.
Thord Johansson
QUOTE(Dope Fish @ Dec 13 2007, 04:34 PM) *

The SDHC support on a F-200 is a sure thing?

Or this is just a presumption because of the netchip? I'm asking because I want to buy a SDHC and I'm not sure if this card will really work.


It is a quite sure thing ... referring to the previous replies in this topic. Take a look at them, I think they will answer your question. By the way - the F100 has been ordered for me now. It doesn't seem to be a Mk2 but it's at least a F100!
Arsenč

The Gp2X F200 can connect to the Internet or telnet o network but you must use the cradle so for me the best between the two is the F200:).
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