i hope the gp2x wiz will not kill the pandora. SINCERELY, what do you think ?

anyway im not getting a gp2x wiz because the screen is too small for me. and i want to surf.

But i think a lot of people will buy the gp2x wiz instead of pandora.

Craigix must not be happy about this... i suppose.


I just learn today that wiz thing is exist !

it has a oled screen that i dream of... but at 2.8'' i cant buy that. i Cant play my gba and my ds anymore because of the gp2x and psp screen size.

I dream to have a emulation handheld that did great in direct sunlight ... its seem that gp2x wiz will do it ? isnt?

and for the bad of that... the new psp edition will have no ghostling anymore and greatly improved contrast. so i will play my snes emualtion on this new psp until i got a pandora.. its a lot of competition for a emulation handheld device



anyway what do you think about gp2x wiz killing the pandora ? is it a possibility ?

I rather doubt it. But I can easily see pandora selling it's run and the wiz doing well. I don't think eithers success is dependant on the failure of the other.

Craig has already mentioned that he will be actively distributing the wiz hardware, so he can't be that 'unhappy' about it . GBAX.com seems to be the main distributer.

And as already discussed, these two consoles cannot be fairley compared. They are seperate machines.

And quite a few people are getting both.

Personally I don't think the wiz and the Pandora are going to butt heads. They are in difference price brackets and have different features and different software. I would get both but I don't have enough money to spend on stuff like that to get both, so I picked the pandora.

What? Of course they'll butt heads. That's like saying to me that the DS and PSP aren't competing because they're in different price brackets and have different features and software. It makes no sense. As for one "killing" the other, I dunno. Time will tell, but if anything, two competing open-source devices will garner increased attention from the outside no matter what.

Now that you bring up the PSP, i think the PSP will be more of a threat to the Wiz than the Pandora. Think about it, apart from their size and OS, they both are quite similar as in, they will be able to run emulatord for the same systems and have no purpose except gaming/multimedia.

To be honest, i love surfing with a handheld and have a OS, But if the gp2x wiz have a 3.5'' screen instead of 2.8, i will buy the gp2x wiz instead of the pandora.

1. because first you can play outdoor.
2. screen is oled so brighter and less motion blur.
3. because i love the gp2x and the gp32

But ANYWAY, with a 2.8'' screen size i will not buy it, i prefer the biggest screen of the pandora.
but i dont know if i can buy the first batch of pandora its expensive for me now, but the gp2x wiz will be more possible.

i fear that, at this price the gp2x wiz will be selling a lot and it will be release before the pandora, so i fear pandora is in trouble. i hope im wrong.

The Asus N10 is probably more of a competitor.

pandora will just suicide

Wizilla vs. King Pandora

how many pandoras are gonna be made?

From where I stand, that is, from what I've seen several people on different web communities say, the Pandora looks like it has much wider appeal than the Wiz. On the other hand, the market originally interested in the GP2X will probably go for a Wiz too (and many won't want to pay for a Pandora). But there are tons of people who will want Pandora for what it can do, and nothing else can do everything it can in the same kind of package.

"But there are tons of people who will want Pandora for what it can do, and nothing else can do everything it can in the same kind of package."

huh?

meat... meat ... bloody meat...

Measure people by tons is yummi

He's saying no other handheld device contains all of Pandora's features in a small gaming oriented package. And it's true. That's what makes it so sexy. And why the first 4000 sold out in less than a week.

Wiz is very cool, especially for its size. But hardware-wise, nothing equals the Pandora.

And honestly, one of the reasons I'm picking the Pandora over the Wiz (as I'm not rich enough to get both :S ) is that GPH did such a piss-poor job with the GP2X the first few renditions of the hardware, and they hardly listened to the community through the entire process. Even my F-200 lacks in hardware and firmware quality. Another handheld from them seems far beyond my capacity to understand why anyone who went through all that would still pay for another iteration.

The Pandora (although I haven't held one in my hand yet) is developed with us in mind. Every step of the way we've been informed about setbacks, new developments, and are consistently asked what direction we'd like to see the console take. That's an invaluable resource, and whatever 'risk' is involved with investing in a dev team with no hardware distribution resume, is worth it.

just remember - the western community is just a very very small part of GPH's market. The western community IS pandoras market.

True...

But remember when there was talk around here that GPH picked a Linux-based OS simply because it was cheaper than the alternative? They didn't understand anything about sorcecode, and eventually got the slashdotters of the internet furious? Furious enough to threaten to take them to court for non-compliance with the GPL? This was serious business...

It makes them seem like they have no idea what's going on around them.

The Pandora and the Wiz are actually targeting different markets! The Pandora is going up against UMPCs while the Wiz is going up against PSP and NDS market. Anyone who thinks the Wiz is going up against the Pandora is crazy. It just so happens they are being released around the same time and has interest with the same community (us).

Please stop comparing them and accept we now have two new open source consoles with different goals available to us.

I see the Wiz as a GP2X but better; (faster, 3D, smaller, LiION, OLED, etc).

The Pandora seems to be a hybrid UMPC/GP2X, more feature filled but also more expensive.

The problem for the Wiz is that devs will favor the Pandora as a friendly and powerful development system.

The problem for Pandora is the hobbyist consumer will favor the Wiz for its low price.

I mostly count along the lines of console generations. wiz==PS1 fullspeed, pandora==n64. Just adding n64 is a big meh for me, which while nice, is not that groundbreaking. The overall experience might still be quite a bit better with pandora if it supports over-the-air upgrades/apt and then theres all the home computers that'll work...

But all that remains to be seen, wiz'll be in the stores sooner so I'll be able to get one and it looks like a fairly good deal on top of that, even if it is 'only' gp2x++.

...with WIZ's goal to Rule, and pandora's goal to repent...

repent for GPH's past injustices, by bringing us an amazing handheld?

If history is an indicator GPH will do the killing and their victim will be the wiz.

Personally, I'll be getting the Wiz, mainly because i don't have much use for the Pandora's extra features.
However, If I didn't have a laptop for the internet, I would be buying the Pandora.
But before I place any orders, I plan on finding out more about the emulation development thats going to go into each of them. :D

Honestly, I think it's out of the question that the Wiz and the Pandora will eat each other's lunch.

For myself, I just have to go quickly through a list of things I can do or cannot do with a Wiz compared to a Pandora.

Both will let me play ScummVM adventures with a stylus.
Both will let me play homebrew software of the kind already running on my GP2X.
Both will emulate the usual suspects in the gaming console arena nicely.

The Wiz can do Flash games. okay. (I personally don't care)

But:

Pandora will let me use ZX Spectrum/C64/Amiga emulators the proper way (with keyboard) for the first time.
Pandora will let me log into the net and post unnecessary comments on the GP32X forums.
Pandora will let me enjoy car racing and flight simulation programs, which need analog controls.
Pandora will hook up to my BT headset for SIP telephony or my cell phone for photo downloads.
Pandora will allow me to do serious kernel hacking, because it is really community oriented.
Pandora will allow me to pack a complete audio studio into my pocket (provided an external hard drive, perhaps), including DJ software, multitrack recording, and so on, because it will get a proper packaging system.

At least for me, this is the list of things I like doing most on any computer, and the Pandora delivers. The Wiz just doesn't have the necessary hardware features. Period.

The Wiz remains to be a very nicely designed GP2X successor, but comes nowhere near Pandora.

Just my 2 Cents.

That is a pretty wan justification. Are you saying we don't do 'serious' kernel hacking for Open2x? Are you saying we are 'amateurs' somehow, not worthy of credit?

Ooops, I just notice how careful one must be with one's wording around these parts. This wasn't meant as an offence by any means. I apologize.

Just strike out "serious". And strike out the second part of the statement entirely.

What I meant to point out is that after looking into the source packages for the kernel on GP2X and owning an F200 which makes USB IP connectivity impossible, I find it a bit hard to get into kernel hacking on the GP2X-F200. Compared to that, I expect the Pandora to be much more experimentation friendly.

It's a pity that you brush over my post by pointing out one of the weakest arguments. I should've left that one out, I see...